[SPOILERS] Team EggHeads: DMOC and TeddyKGB (Now Lurker-Friendly!)

[TeddyKGB]

We need to think carefully about Asterik's proposal about HBR. I don't like the idea because HBR is a dead-end economic tech and we'd be going all-in on the Indian war. What if they tech Feudalism early?

Did we ever figure out what tech they took from The Oracle?

Will comment more tomorrow after some sleep.

Edit: Good job with the turns. 4 new population points in the next 2 turns. Judging from the minimap the scout doesn't have to go too far to fogbust the coast (and he is woody II anyway).

Want to put our warrior near city 5 location on that plains hill to warn us of barbs or India?

HBR now for us would be suicide.

I'll look into C&D again, but what else classical tech India could take? Monarchy and IW only other options, if I understand correct.
I didn't pay much attention to C&D lately, but I think they finished Pottery on T60 and take MC from oracle.
Still no AH for them, no Writing and big expenses. I could be wrong, tho.

Yes, that was the plan about warrior, unless we'll see settling party after India moves.

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EDIT: about cottage, I wasn't sure myself. But I though its better to work 1/3+100% hammers tile this turn. Hamlet will grow one turn slower, but thats not terrible.
Next turn we'll keep growing that cottage.
If you think 1 turn faster hamlet worth it you could change it before end of turn. We'll trade 6h for 1f and 1c now and 1c in 10T, 30T etc.

[TeddyKGB]

And another msg from Asterix with a screenshot.
He is indeed has library in capital, as you can see.

Here is the screenshot from when we met Ponies. Not sure if we will learn anything more from them. They say they would not look into this screenshot as they believe it is forbidden. Tried to explain to them it is not, abut anyway does not seem they know a lot about our world. As I said, I assume they came by land although they did not say this directly.

[DMOC]

-Okay, upon second thought better to stick with the mine in the capital, we need the hammers.
-Maybe send Asterix a screenshot of our projected city 5 location now that we've explored it? (Being sure to crop it of course!)

I've been thinking about Stanford a bit. After the chariot, do we want to finish the warrior? For city happiness purposes, of course, since we're sending the chariot to silver. But after that warrior, Stanford might as well start on a worker and/or settler on turn 66... and we can chop 1 of the forests to help out. What do you think?

[TeddyKGB]

-Okay, upon second thought better to stick with the mine in the capital, we need the hammers.
-Maybe send Asterix a screenshot of our projected city 5 location now that we've explored it? (Being sure to crop it of course!)

I've been thinking about Stanford a bit. After the chariot, do we want to finish the warrior? For city happiness purposes, of course, since we're sending the chariot to silver. But after that warrior, Stanford might as well start on a worker and/or settler on turn 66... and we can chop 1 of the forests to help out. What do you think?

Sent long reply to Asterix with a screenshot.

Yes, I think we should finish a warrior in Stanford. Hammers start decay on T67 and Copper should be online soon, so its our last warrior for now.
I think it could be better better to send another chariot (currently on Copper) to scout South. After city#5 safely settled of course.

I agree with you, we need more workers and settlers. Good plan for Stanford, maybe we could add whip 2pop (5->3 or 4->2). Now after granaries online, we should not afraid to whip every 10 turns for every city.
There is options for worker after he finished cottage on T66. Chop is a good one, but I was thinking if we decide to push for Math delay all chops till T75.

[DMOC]

Another thought: after the cottage, we can start road towards city #6 (assuming its by the silver), and then Stanford can do a 5->3 settler whip, or a 4->2 whip.

[TeddyKGB]

Yes, good call.
So probably worker in MIT at size4 too?
Its all depends on next tech we want: Math, Sailing or Masonry. Each of them has some bonuses for us. I'm afraid we can't go for Monarchy right now, though Masonry kinda on the way with OR as a bonus.

What tech you think we should complete next?

Asterix is excited about Stone.

Hi Teddy,

just a brief answer. If you could borrow our team stone just for a couple of turns, it could turn the fate of the war with Yuufo. Maga had this crazy idea about building the Great Wall - I almost decided to abandon it as too costly and too much chance to loosing to OrgyNized - or even Ponies, who are really weird. To the same message stating that we cannot exchange screenshots they attached ... a screenshot, showing nothing more that they finished masonry a couple turns ago.

Anyway, the point is that Great Spy would be extremely useful to spy Yuufo's lands and has visibility on all his cities. With stone, we would risk the Great Wall, especially that we will have math now. We would use all the GSpy points on Yuufo, thus gaining visibility into his cities and also what he is building. I believe that information is power and having this kind of advantage over them would likely turn the fate of Indian war - and most importantly, we will know that by attacking we would not walk into a trap.

What do you say? When you would be able to connect stone?

Asterix

BTW, agree on the Ponies. I referred them to technical thread to verify that screenshots exchange was agreed, but anyway I am afraid they will not make valuable allies - and may not be around that long.

I did answer him we'll talk specific ETA's after T66.

Yuufo did answer in chat:

okay, maybe this weekend? or is it urgent?

Yep, sure. Right after one of us settle near Stone.

And speaking of Yuufo:

[DMOC]

(1) If we're in a settling race with Care Bears, let's play our turns early on turns 65 and 66 just in case.

(2) Techs: I'm assuming our scout can get the coast unfogged for SutOxy. If that's the case, then Berkeley should be connected to them by coast, so we'll get foreign trade route bonuses. Let's go with Sailing -> Masonry -> Mathematics. I agree that Monarchy is simply not happening this early, and Carnegie Mellon is fine at size 7 anyway (assuming we get the silver). Also, we wouldn't get stone in our borders (if we do) until turn 71, and we'd still need the time to build a road there, and I'd rather we farm a floodplain instead (after mining the copper, of course!).

(3) Related to the previous point, let's keep research at 0% until we get the library in Carnegie Mellon finished.

(4) I suggest a worker at MIT, size 4, for our seventh worker. A library just isn't that beneficial to us now but we can easily complete it later after the worker, and MIT might be able to generate our second Great Scientist. (MIT has a lot of hammers for a size 4 city so we can slow-build the library.)

(5) Stanford can grow to size 5 and then do 2-pop whip settler. No need to chop, then, but we should have a road set up to silver.

(6) Just re-reading LP's thread from PB4. "If you're not building a worker or settler now, you'd better have a good reason why." The capital has a good reason to build the library. MIT, not so much. Just keep this in mind. Berkeley and Stanford will also be contributing (via whips) once they grow a bit more.

(7) What are you planning to talk about with Yuufo? He will ask about open borders, and possibly extending our NAP.

(8) Asterik really doesn't have horses OR copper hooked up? That's awfully brave, especially now that barbarian humans are spawning. But he does have stone ... and do we want to complete the Great Wall? Not sure how it will help THAT much given that we can still analyze Care Bears well (e.g., use a sentry chariot if we can get enough XP from barbarians). Also, do we even have trade routes set up? Finally, I'm really confused how he managed to get Mathematics this early without even settling his gold tile, and without road networks to all his cities.

(9) Given that Asterik will be done with Mathematics soon and has HG, do you think he'll head for The Hanging Gardens? I'd really rather he have it than Care Bears ... we can talk to him about this?

(10) Here are my projected future cities:

#5 (Cornell) by the stone, as planned
#6 (UIllinois) by the silver
#7 (UWashington) by the fish up north, can share corn/horses with Berkeley. Alternatively, can settle near cows and spices to put pressure on Care Bears' sixth city.
#8 (Princeton) by the forested area to our west (will negotiate with LP). Hopefully by rice but if not sharing wheat is fine. We just want the forests, and later, the cottages! We badly need rivers, I'm not sure why we're so deprived of them right now.
#9 (UT Austin) by the sheep west of MIT?
#10 (Georgia Tech) Filler city up north near Care Bears area, or south of Cornell?

[TeddyKGB]

(1) Yuufo played T65 first, but as I understand we are not in the race.

(2) LP is between us and OS, and defogin his coast could be harder, as I remember from some screenshot MM sent us. If we decide to trade with India, we could build roads fast.

(3) That was the plan. We could keep it at 0% even longer.

(4) We need more workers, indeed.

(5) Ok, good plan.

(6) ...

(7) OB, roads for fast trade routes, border agreement.

(8) Asterix has Stone, but doesn't know about it yet. I had to keep this info from him cause we promissed that to OS.
Stone hes talking about is our stone. I did mention we could probably trade it to him from time to time.

(9) MM has no stone so far and India far away from Math.

Good plan. LP will settle rice this turn or next, I guess.

Wanted to draft msg to LP, but I'm very tired right now.

T65. Moved every units except 2 chariots (see screenshot above). OS forgets to turn EP off, I sent a polite reminder.
I'm planning to finish turn 5-6 hours later, or you can move chariots, take screenshots and finish it. Just keep in mind there is a barb warrior somewhere near sign and we are still may need one chariot not far away from gold and horses.

[DMOC]

Really, Asterix doesn't have stone? His writing was really confusing from his last message, then.

Say, if we do head for Mathematics, do you think it'd be worth building The Hanging Gardens in a forested location? It would be a fairly late (i.e. wouldn't beat Turn 84 from PB4) but this game doesn't have high-quality land as compared to that one.

Did LP let you know he was settling the rice area?

I can finish the turn if you can't make it during the next few hours.

Note: did we want to move Stanford's chariot down south? Edit: nah, we might as well put it near Cornell, then have Cornell's chariot go south.

Edit2: One thing we might consider is switching MIT from pigs to another tile if possible to allow it to grow to size 4 next turn while letting the capital get the food benefits. MIT will be making a worker anyway so not much need to have high food surplus.

[TeddyKGB]

Asterix writing was fast reply to my e-mail to him with a screenshot of our planned city#5 location.

We discussed HG as our first possible WW early in this thread.
It will cost us ~250h (100+300/2) with stone. So we had to have 9 cities before HG.
Health bonus is not that hot for us. But deny HG to other teams could be a nice bonus.
I said earlier, we should 1turn it also, imo. So we need whip Acueduct+4chops most likely. OR civic will help, but Monotheism timing is problematic.
Math timing isnt important for HG, imo. We could research Masonry>Sailing>Math and still not start work on HG plan for several turns.

No, I didn't contact with LP myself, but it seems logical location for his next city: riverside Rice + grass cow + silk + lots of river tiles.
He has a warrior in the area already, thats another indication.
And he did some whiping recently.

I can finish turn in next 1-2 hours, but I feel like I'm played too many turns myself.
Would you have time now to finish turn and post a nice report on T65?

We have a good spawnbust net so far and sould be almost safe from barbs suddenly appear. I'm not sure when barb Axe/Spear would start to show. And Archers could be a problem too. Our NorthWest is secured from barbs spawn. Our East is pretty safe. But our SouthWest isnt. There is a smal chance barb will show 2 tiles from gold every turn. And anytime barb could show next to our spawnbusting SouthWest warrior.

What Stanford should start to build next turn? Options are:
- Chariot
- Warrior -> transforms to Spear
- Library
- Barracks?

In other news, reply from OS:

Hi guys - sorry for the error. I've turned off EP's entirely. We're still working things through with Asterix. To paraphrase, he believes the tiles adjacent to his capital are "0 tiles from [his] capital" so our capital is "15 tiles from his capital" instead of 16E. This makes our settling agreement difficult to interpret. Fun times!

-suttree