WW29: Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood

[Jowy]

If there was no talk, Rowain kill would have been obvious setting up of zak. Though again, not like that means anything either way. With talk last night, I'd think kill becomes more likely from general principles, too.

That is a really good point on Zak having a motive to kill Rowain first, even if you yourself think it's more likely to be a setup than anything. That anger by Zak was real last game. If he was scum, he would kill Rowain first, no question about it. With both Zak and GoreRipper having a motive to kill Rowain first, it does also mean that Rowain kill would be a nice setup if Zak and GoreRipper are both town, not to mention that Rowain is a good kill just in general (though I would argue not as good as some others).

[Goreripper]

Rowain was the one questioning GoreRipper, and now he's dead. GoreRipper had a motive to kill Rowain first, and Rowain must have sensed it since he pointed his suspicions at GoreRipper just before the night ended. Looks quite bad for GoreRipper, obviously enchanced by the fact that Rowain called him out, but scum couldn't have known that Rowain would call both his death and his killer. I think this alone makes GoreRipper a better D1 lynch than any D1 lynch we've had in the games I've played here, so GoreRipper

Jowy please articulate a case against me that is better than this.

Rowain said he did not like Goreripper but stated no case. I think this alone makes GoreRipper a better D1 lynch than any terrible day one lynches we've had, so GoreRipper

Mattimeo wins points for thinking that we should not post at night and actually not posting at night. Not town points but still points.

[Jowy]

Not today. The case is there, I'm not going to get dragged into a flame war and lose the credibility of my case because of it. Thx for that last game, Lewwyn.

[Mattimeo]

If he was scum, he would kill Rowain first, no question about it.

No. zak likes crazy plans. Carrying a blatantly obvious grudge from a previous game and only following that grudge is a stupid plan, not a crazy plan.

If he is scum, the Rowain kill was deliberate, not mindless revenge.

Mattimeo wins points for thinking that we should not post at night and actually not posting at night. Not town points but still points.

ooh, I like points :D
Especially meaningless internet points. Which I'm assuming these are

[Goreripper]

If there was no talk, Rowain kill would have been obvious setting up of zak. Though again, not like that means anything either way. With talk last night, I'd think kill becomes more likely from general principles, too.

That is a really good point on Zak having a motive to kill Rowain first, even if you yourself think it's more likely to be a setup than anything. That anger by Zak was real last game. If he was scum, he would kill Rowain first, no question about it. With both Zak and GoreRipper having a motive to kill Rowain first, it does also mean that Rowain kill would be a nice setup if Zak and GoreRipper are both town, not to mention that Rowain is a good kill just in general (though I would argue not as good as some others).

I do not get this whole motive thing. Rowain was questioning me some. That is perfectly fair and I think I responded to his actual questions that were asked. I wish he had been able to actually make a case but as it is all we got was a bad feeling. I agree the last game upset Zakalwe like I said it is why I think he was so talkative last night. But I also would question any motivation cases on Zakalwe here.

More useful is a look at general principles. Why is would they want to kill Rowain? Probably not to frame anybody it is too early for that but hey it might be a nice side effect for them. More likely it was because he was an active player who was less likely to be protected than his listed four scary names. Or else he looked cleared to them but he did not seem amazingly town in particular. Only conclusion I have from that is that the mafia are sane but that only clears MJW.

[Goreripper]

Not today. The case is there, I'm not going to get dragged into a flame war and lose the credibility of my case because of it. Thx for that last game, Lewwyn.

What ever. If you ever roll mafia you will be awesome because I find your reasonless vote here perfectly in character.

Mattimeo wins points for thinking that we should not post at night and actually not posting at night. Not town points but still points.

ooh, I like points :D
Especially meaningless internet points. Which I'm assuming these are

Internet points are never meaningless. They are treasures of the heart.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Goreripper I asked you that question in a different thread. I thought you were a double-login but now you have shown otherwise. For answering my question I will switch off.

Zak, yes I'm being sincere about my attack. This reminds me of ww2 were scooter, igry and rowain were quite upbeat about my death and they all turned out to be wolfs. Being fair and anti-town is still anti-town and therefor a wolf tell. And it was done without hesitation or regret.

I also obviously disagree with mattimeo with me being anti-town.

To answer rowain's question it is bad to talk during the night because it gives the town nothing concrete. The wolfs can guess who the power-roles are and see who is unlikely to get lynched. While there is more overall talk if the town blows it load the talk is totally superfluous--two days is clearly enough. There is a reason why we didn't to three day games after the first couple of games... I broke this rule and night-talked because I was just bitching about the metagame and not engaging in discussion were the wolfs could gleam information.

I'll vote Zak for now because I agree that Zak would really want to take out Rowain because of what happened last game and struggle to think of a reason why anyone else would want Zak dead. Goreripper because Rowain suspected him is the only other thing that springs to mind but that would be too direct and ham-fisted. It's possible because goreripper is a new player but I promised to switch...

[Jowy]

If he was scum, he would kill Rowain first, no question about it.

No. zak likes crazy plans. Carrying a blatantly obvious grudge from a previous game and only following that grudge is a stupid plan, not a crazy plan.

If he is scum, the Rowain kill was deliberate, not mindless revenge.

Or get rid of that grudge straight away so you don't have to maneuver around it, get your satisfaction for getting to kill Rowain back before the game really starts, kill a target that is a good kill anyway, and likely get away with it unscratched It certainly raises his own odds to die D1, but if he can't even survive past a touch harder D1, then he was likely going to get caught anyway since D1 is always a cakewalk for the scum.

[Goreripper]

I also obviously disagree with mattimeo with me being anti-town.

You kind of are on the surface but I like what someone either Gaspar or Lewwyn said about lynchbait. You are classic lynchbait. Your obvious contradictions and crazy theories give mafia something to hit.

Serdoa and Jkaen bit on the lynchbait craziness. Zakalwe did too but at least he was defending himself.

[zakalwe]

kill a target that is a good kill anyway

If he was a good kill anyway (I agree that he was, because he was active and not scummy) then his death hardly implicates me. I don't think it does much to implicate Goreripper, either. He did suspect MJW earlier in the day, though, so if you're so eager to pursue this line of thought you shouldn't overlook that.

I haven't bit on the lynchbait yet, Goreripper. I just said I was tempted to.