WW29: Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood

[Jkaen]

Ok, so as I said I didn't withdraw my MJW case early as I wanted people's reads on it to see if I could gather anything.

Jowy - Followed up the case offered, but then lcoked onto somethign a bit more meta - seems normal

novice - Picks up on the MJW attack when his brother is attacked - seems normal

MJW (ya that one) - went off in random directions i cant understand - seems normal

zakalwe - Left my case hanging, and worked a lot more actively to get votes going - differs from normal, but as I said that may not be a scum tell now i think on it.

Mattimeo - dismisses MJW case today - not much to go on

Serdoa - ignores my case but picks up he said dont talk but then did - Seems to be voting for anti-town tells rather than scum tells, something i know bothers serdoa, currently think its the best place for me vote

Lewwyn - Not much but generally dismisses MJW as being MJW which is expected - seems normal

Meiz - picked up a flaw in my case neatly, which i would expect, but confused about his theory on talking on later nights, didnt make sense like meiz normally does to me - wouldnt object to voting here

Goreripper - Dismisses the MJW case and makes a bunch of reaosnable posts - don't have much of a baseline, but seems normal

So i guess right now I see Serdoa and Meiz as scummiest

[Meiz]

Meiz - to summarize, you think I'm scum because...?

I'm voting for you atm, because I got a strong village lean from Lewwyn and I liked his accusations against you. And mildy, I think you as scum would have extra motivation to get Rowain out, besides general "Rowain is good villager" reasons. So I don't have any hard evidence and as big conviction as Lewwyn has, but I'm comfortable with my vote for now.

[Lewwyn]

Jkaen:

[Jowy]

Wow I feel stupid, I didn't realize that's what Rowain meant in WW28.5. That he planned to shoot one of Zak/Novice if he rolled villager. I thought the grudge was one-sided with just Zak being mad at Rowain for shooting him in WW28.5. Clearly Rowain has a problem with the brothers connection. Okay so, if both Zak and Novice are town, then the scum actually have a motive to keep Rowain alive, with the exception of GoreRipper who'd want to kill his accuser. The three people who would have a motive to kill Rowain first are GoreRipper, Zak and Novice. The other people would have a motive to keep Rowain alive. Unless it's a setup, but just keeping Rowain around serves the same purpose.. Especially if all three were town. Just kill a stronger player like Serdoa or Lewwyn or Jkaen on N0. I don't really see them being much more likely to be protected than Rowain, since they all had a quiet N0. I find it extremely likely that at least one of Zak/Novice/GoreRipper is scum. If it is just one, then his scum buddy could be anyone else.

[Jkaen]

Jkaen:

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[novice]

Jowy, I think that was a one-time thing by Rowain, with the day-vig setup being a perfect time to try it. He did say in this game that he wouldn't be repeating it, as Zak already pointed out.

Mattimeo, if Night 0 was actually a Night 1 in your opinion, that means this is day 2 and you don't get to lurk anymore.

The image says "It's a trap! No... it's a reverse ambush opportunity".

[Meiz]

Rowain said zak is safe from his kill, since hasn't got gun or claws. He'd still have his vote

[zakalwe]

Rowain said zak is safe from his kill, since hasn't got gun or claws. He'd still have his vote

And where are the indications that Rowain suspected me at all? This argument is inane and you should know it.

Jowy, do you have any thoughts that don't revolve around why Rowain was killed?

[Goreripper]

Not a lot of time this morning but I will respond to the direct question.

Goreripper, when did you decide that Zak was likely town?

His second post was the first indication.

I don't think there's a strong game theoretical reason to be quiet. If people want to do that, I will count it as lurking.

I don't mind if Brick wants to change it to even numbers equal mafia wins. Otherwise it becomes particularly silly due to the tie breaking rule. Mafia would just rush to vote for someone and win the tie.

Then followed by a rush of other excited and eager posts. Felt like a guy who was happy to contribute which from reading his mafia games just is not his baseline on team evil.

Also I am sorry if I annoyed you there Lewwyn but that was humor not manipulation.

Jkaen just to be clear then you are claiming the reason you had that weird vote for Zakalwe then vote for Serdoa because you were judging them on reactions to your lynchbait trap?

[novice]

Goreripper, why were you so eager to get me to admit to a positive bias towards Zak if you already had a town lean on him?