November 1st, 2013, 13:34
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So you MJW voters think he's bluffing in here or came up with this explanation afterwards?
(October 31st, 2013, 14:01)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: Oh, Zak from my perspective was what Brick expanded on in the PMs was the town's victory condition. It was not in the rules at first so the only way to have that information would be to be in the town's side. A wolf would not know that the town only draws if they kill all of them! This is other reason why I didn't do it.
If the victory condition was missing from the rules originally, I will definitely buy that based on MJW's early posts.
November 1st, 2013, 13:37
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Seems that we're going to have another "lynch the easiest" D1. Two out of three MJW voters already have their excuses out: Zakalwe has said that MJW is "lynchbait" and he's only voting MJW to defend himself, and GoreRipper claims he's reluctantly choosing the best out of two bad options (This was when the leading candidates were only at two votes each!). Needless to say I'm not happy that once again I have to hope that we get lucky and get to the right answers with the wrong methods.
November 1st, 2013, 13:48
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(November 1st, 2013, 13:34)Meiz Wrote: So you MJW voters think he's bluffing in here or came up with this explanation afterwards?
(October 31st, 2013, 14:01)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: Oh, Zak from my perspective was what Brick expanded on in the PMs was the town's victory condition. It was not in the rules at first so the only way to have that information would be to be in the town's side. A wolf would not know that the town only draws if they kill all of them! This is other reason why I didn't do it.
If the victory condition was missing from the rules originally, I will definitely buy that based on MJW's early posts.
I am pretty sure I read it there even at first I remember checking it against my PM. Looking back MJW just pestered Brick about the tie stuff and Brick angrily changed the mafia ones. Novice says MJW is able to put on the act like that. Do you think he is not capable? Honest question.
Jowy how do you feel about Serdoa? He has explained himself a little better but still does not feel like his last few games.
November 1st, 2013, 13:50
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@Meiz
I looked at your posts. Tbh I think I ignored the last few of them because besides the one longer post they all revolved around zakalwe being scum what I simply don't see right now. Especially as I could most of the time agree with zak that the accusations themselves make no sense. For example when he stated that we should know that he doesn't want to play scum and therefore wouldn't be as motivated as he is if he had rolled scum again you countered by stating that in a game with 2 scum he would be. What is he to say to that?
As for longer post, you made some points I agree with (Lewwyn being town for example) but also a few that I don't understand. For example: "Looking at Matt's list, I found it interesting that he brushes off Zak for "Can't escape my mind that the argument seems specific enough to be one the scum lovingly crafted overnight to nab zak today, though", without going into anything specific."
What specific would you expect here? It seems for me that he just posted the thought that maybe that whole argument on zak being the night-killer of Rowain was deliberately brought up by scum who intentionally choose Rowain for that reason as their night-kill. So, I don't think there is anything to get more specific about that if YOU don't ask anything more specific.
Or your whole paragraph on Goreripper. I think you make some good points, but you don't actually follow them up with anything. You put it out there but seem to wait for someone else to come and actually question Goreripper.
And as end another quote regarding zak from you from the same long post
Quote:Zak also shots down the last argument with: "You really think I would go out of my way to get people talking, as scum?"
Why is that idea so ridiculous? Scum will try to appear like town, and that is exactly what people expect from town-Zak. So this statement doesn't make sense to me. It's not just a defense of yourself, but you seem to think that the idea doesn't make sense in general for scum.
Actually, that's exactly what zak claimed all the time, that it doesn't make sense for scum to talk or get people to talk at night. So I think his reaction to the accusation that he is scum and tried to get people to talk makes perfect sense from his standpoint. One I don't necessarily agree with as I stated earlier, but it is in line with his statements throughout the game.
November 1st, 2013, 13:50
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I don't know what to make of the PM stuff, Meiz, and I don't really feel like speculating a ton about it. It's probably a town tell in isolation, but no matter how you read it, I don't think it's strong enough to clear him. And I don't like how he's been sitting back after that only to pop in once in a while to rehash his "fairness" case against me. If there were no meta tells in his favor I would be lynching him in a heartbeat. So I'd rather disregard a potential meta tell than disregard any of the other tone-based reads that keep turning me off other suspects.
What do you think of Mattimeo's tone? I think he sounds like his usual cheeky self who doesn't really care if he's lynched.
If you know what I mean.
November 1st, 2013, 13:59
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(November 1st, 2013, 13:16)novice Wrote: Quote:In the event that two or more players are tied for the most votes, the tied player that reached their current vote total first is lynched. (A gets to 4 votes first, B gets to 4 votes later in the day ∴ A is lynched).
Quick comment, Mafia Helper's tallies do not follow this rule. Pretty sure Zak got to two votes before MJW.
If you look at the vote history, here is where each of their second votes was made on them, and MJW was voted on a second time 3 minutes before zak was.
November 1st, 2013, 14:00
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Tally as of post 246:
3 votes: MJW ( novice, zakalwe, Goreripper)
2 votes: Goreripper ( Mattimeo, Jowy)
2 votes: zakalwe ( MJW (ya that one), Lewwyn)
1 votes: Serdoa ( Jkaen)
1 votes: Mattimeo ( Meiz)
1 votes: Jkaen ( Serdoa)
Voting history:
November 1st, 2013, 14:01
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About 1 hour left.
I'll just vote for gorerippeer now due to the tiebreak rules.
Before I responed I would like to say to lewwyn that he should consider waking up in the middle of the night in future games. It pretty much makes his vote useless as village and the start of the games.
November 1st, 2013, 14:06
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(November 1st, 2013, 13:37)Jowy Wrote: Seems that we're going to have another "lynch the easiest" D1. Two out of three MJW voters already have their excuses out: Zakalwe has said that MJW is "lynchbait" and he's only voting MJW to defend himself, and GoreRipper claims he's reluctantly choosing the best out of two bad options (This was when the leading candidates were only at two votes each!). Needless to say I'm not happy that once again I have to hope that we get lucky and get to the right answers with the wrong methods.
Lynching MJW today is certainly not the path of least resistance.
If you know what I mean.
November 1st, 2013, 14:09
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Just to be clear: What I was saying is that the wolfs would not have access to the town victory condition. So if I were to repeat it I would have to have that PM. The victory condition was not in the original post directly. But it was in the PMs that I overlooked at first.
Oh, it doesn't make sense at all for Brick to be at mad at me in post #18 if I'm a wolf. If I was a wolf Brick would know that I was not trying to exploit the system (what made him mad); rather I was trying to do some sort of wolf gambit and remained silent. It's hard to read it an otherway unless you want to kill me off.
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