WW29: Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood

[Meiz]

@Serdoa, you don't have to agree with my points, but I understood from you that I've jumped on a questionable night kill theory and then not added much, which was IMO unfair accusation.

As for longer post, you made some points I agree with (Lewwyn being town for example) but also a few that I don't understand. For example: "Looking at Matt's list, I found it interesting that he brushes off Zak for "Can't escape my mind that the argument seems specific enough to be one the scum lovingly crafted overnight to nab zak today, though", without going into anything specific."

What specific would you expect here? It seems for me that he just posted the thought that maybe that whole argument on zak being the night-killer of Rowain was deliberately brought up by scum who intentionally choose Rowain for that reason as their night-kill. So, I don't think there is anything to get more specific about that if YOU don't ask anything more specific.

We don't know if he talked about the night kills, or on Lewwyn's accusation. In any case, the natural actions after this kind of though is looking at who accused Zak on what and then maybe suspect those players. Instead he brushes everyone else off with general statements and votes GoreRipper.

I do agree that Zak has handled his answers quite well and he's not my top pick at the moment.

I am pretty sure I read it there even at first I remember checking it against my PM. Looking back MJW just pestered Brick about the tie stuff and Brick angrily changed the mafia ones. Novice says MJW is able to put on the act like that. Do you think he is not capable? Honest question.

Can anyone else confirm this?

[MJW (ya that one)]

Seems that we're going to have another "lynch the easiest" D1. Two out of three MJW voters already have their excuses out: Zakalwe has said that MJW is "lynchbait" and he's only voting MJW to defend himself, and GoreRipper claims he's reluctantly choosing the best out of two bad options (This was when the leading candidates were only at two votes each!). Needless to say I'm not happy that once again I have to hope that we get lucky and get to the right answers with the wrong methods.

Lynching MJW today is certainly not the path of least resistance.

I would guess you would say mattimeo for being a lurker... I think I would have lower resistance as all the times I've been mislynched have been in the first day.

[zakalwe]

Meiz, I think rule 18 was edited in.

Kids' bedtime here, but I'll try to keep up.

[Jowy]

Jowy how do you feel about Serdoa? He has explained himself a little better but still does not feel like his last few games.

I don't really get how MJW went from a top suspect to the most-likely-town on his list. I re-read his posts and didn't find any reason for this change. And as far as I know, Zak is also a townie in his list simply for the reason that he agrees with Zak on the relevance of the night kill tells, and I find that a pretty weak reason. His point on Jkaen was good, but easy to make against anyone who fishes for reactions. Overall I'd say Serdoa has been slightly scummy.

[Serdoa]

Thank you Brick. I do not like either other but MJW is a little more likely to be mafia if novice is right.

I don't like this post, imo it is just scummy. First he votes MJW - and that's actually fine just as a "save my own ass"-vote. But instead he puts emphasis on that he has more likelihood to be mafia if novice is right, trying to brush of the responsibility and also giving a (imo) faked reason when none was necessary besides that he only knows his own alignment.

Goreripper

[MJW (ya that one)]

FYI: I'm tunneling in on Zak. I honestly think that he's quite wolfish. I really don't see much point to attack anyone else. If Zak is a wolf he will always be able to steer the lynch off of his partner without trying. This is because he always ha novice on his side. So after I guess Zak is a wolf I lost a lot of motivation.

[Serdoa]

Jowy how do you feel about Serdoa? He has explained himself a little better but still does not feel like his last few games.

I don't really get how MJW went from a top suspect to the most-likely-town on his list. I re-read his posts and didn't find any reason for this change. And as far as I know, Zak is also a townie in his list simply for the reason that he agrees with Zak on the relevance of the night kill tells, and I find that a pretty weak reason. His point on Jkaen was good, but easy to make against anyone who fishes for reactions. Overall I'd say Serdoa has been slightly scummy.

I'm not sure - when was MJW a top suspect? You don't mean my night-vote do you?

[Jowy]

Jowy how do you feel about Serdoa? He has explained himself a little better but still does not feel like his last few games.

I don't really get how MJW went from a top suspect to the most-likely-town on his list. I re-read his posts and didn't find any reason for this change. And as far as I know, Zak is also a townie in his list simply for the reason that he agrees with Zak on the relevance of the night kill tells, and I find that a pretty weak reason. His point on Jkaen was good, but easy to make against anyone who fishes for reactions. Overall I'd say Serdoa has been slightly scummy.

I'm not sure - when was MJW a top suspect? You don't mean my night-vote do you?

Yeah, that and the following posts about how you find MJW's contradiction scummy.

[Serdoa]

Ok, so within 48h, several posts by him and over 200 more in total and his explanation that he didn't see meta-talk on the same level as normal talk I can't come around on my view on him? I would not be regarded as one of the better players if I would be so stubborn as you expect it from me.

[Goreripper]

Thank you Brick. I do not like either other but MJW is a little more likely to be mafia if novice is right.

I don't like this post, imo it is just scummy. First he votes MJW - and that's actually fine just as a "save my own ass"-vote. But instead he puts emphasis on that he has more likelihood to be mafia if novice is right, trying to brush of the responsibility and also giving a (imo) faked reason when none was necessary besides that he only knows his own alignment.

Goreripper

That is very weak. My vote for MJW is clearly self preservation. I do not feel good about him being mafia but I clearly know he has a higher chance than me which is to say greater than zero. My two self preservation options were MJW and Zakalwe and it seems like you agree with me about finding Zakalwe less scummy.