WW29: Beautiful Day in the Neighborhood

[Jowy]

Meiz, why MJW over non-Serdoa voters? I understand your point on MJW, but aren't the odds much higher that the last scum is one of the non-Serdoa voters? That's how everyone else is voting so far. Speaking of that, does anyone else think yesterday might have been a scum sacrifice?

[Lewwyn]

Sigh, bored now waiting for people to talk.

Yes, he should explain that. But I still think it's Lewwyn.

Lewwyn

It's a crying shame that the two people I protected N0 and N1 want to lynch me. This is the thanks I get!?

You protected me on N0? Why?

Also, why aren't you suspecting me today?

I would have protected Rowain if I had been awake when he decided to start talking.

But yes I protected you N0 early in the day because you did seem active and it was basically a shot in the dark. Protecting myself would be foolish with the roleblocker. Is that really so hard to believe?

As for why not today, while I do think you are cannibal I was already unsure about your guilt by the end of yesterday. And have you seen Jowy's posts??

[Jowy]

And have you seen Jowy's posts??

Maybe I could explain something if your issue is something that can be explained? Just let me know what's wrong with my posts.

[Meiz]

I really need someone to spell out the various MJW scenarios, they make my head hurt.

You know, this might just be an impossible task. But I'll try.

Rule 18 was missing originally: "18. In the event that an equal number of scum and non-scum is left alive at the start of a day, the scum win."

MJW posts:

It's best not to speak during the night. I well say I'm pretty sure that the town loses when the wolfs are equal to the number of villagers; not when the wolfs control the vote. As Jowy said this is a very town-heavy setup and not doing this is too much against the wolfs.

You suck brick for not posting the village PM. This may have been okay if you didn't expand in the PM but you did. I won't exploit your mistake but I will mock you.

1) Villager-MJW misses that the PM's are included under spoilers, so he doesn't see that victory conditions are mentioned there. He mocks BRick and valiantly chooses to not exploit this, by telling a vicotry condition from his PM.

2) Scum-MJW misses that the PM's are included under spoilers, so he gets annoyed at BRick and calls him out on that. He's afraid that someone can meta-clear themselves by telling the town victory condition, so he wants to point out BRicks oversight asap. He also talks about the wolf victory condition, which is the opposite of what wolf PM says. That's to give an impression that he has no knowledge of this, which will be pointed out once BRick adds the PM's.


Minutes later he finds that the PM's are included after all and posts:

I didn't see brick add in the post. The PM's tell something very interesting. The wolfs win when they control the vote not when they are even!!! This is quite bad for them... It's always possible to have an even number due to mod kills so this is not pointless issue.

1) Natural reaction for Villager-MJW

2) Scum-MJW is quick to point out how he had no knowledge of the wolf-PM.

(I originally thought MJW referred to "Abilities" part of the vanilla town PM, which he wouldn't know as a wolf (if we believe he genuinely missed that the PM's were included). This was false, as he was talking about the victory condition parts. But that's the reason why I originally got the town impression from him)

Then there was BRick's post:

I intended it to be with tie breaker. It was not originally posted that way because I got the paragraphs for each role off of the mafia scum wiki with some edits, and i copied over the victory conditions from those to the rules to make sure it was word for word consistent. in doing so, I accidentally overwrote the equal numbers provision.

and you DO know the role PMs are under the spoiler there in the first post right? It sounded like you realized that and then still say I forgot it so idk if you saw it or not.

I said that BRick wouldn't be annoyed if MJW was making a wolf-gambit, and MJW used the same meta-clear for himself later. I'm now thinking that if wolf-MJW was accusing BRick for giving towns the chance to meta-clear themselves, BRick would be annoyed as well since the victory conditions were included all the time, just not under the official rules.

There's probably million different scenarios, but these two are IMO most likely. That didn't help any, did it...

[Meiz]

Meiz, why MJW over non-Serdoa voters? I understand your point on MJW, but aren't the odds much higher that the last scum is one of the non-Serdoa voters?

If it would be anyone else making the kill vote, then yes. But I remember MJW not being shy at all on bussing his wolf partners. I believe his priority #1 as scum is self-survival. MJW was being meta-cleared, so as scum he would be confident to cruise to victory by making the kill vote on Serdoa.

For non-scum voters. If no counter claim, Lewwyn is clear. Your posts give me townish vibes. Matt I'm unsure of and I'd probably vote for him if I wasn't suspicious of MJW. Once again this is stupid, but Matt's post at the deadline was odd to come from a scum. I don't know what scum would hope to achieve with that, he was not being voted off or anything.

[Jowy]

Meiz, why MJW over non-Serdoa voters? I understand your point on MJW, but aren't the odds much higher that the last scum is one of the non-Serdoa voters?

If it would be anyone else making the kill vote, then yes. But I remember MJW not being shy at all on bussing his wolf partners. I believe his priority #1 as scum is self-survival. MJW was being meta-cleared, so as scum he would be confident to cruise to victory by making the kill vote on Serdoa.

For non-scum voters. If no counter claim, Lewwyn is clear. Your posts give me townish vibes. Matt I'm unsure of and I'd probably vote for him if I wasn't suspicious of MJW. Once again this is stupid, but Matt's post at the deadline was odd to come from a scum. I don't know what scum would hope to achieve with that, he was not being voted off or anything.

What about GoreRipper?

[novice]

@Meiz, MJW: You told BRick he sucks, I think zak mentioned that already. Does someone really need more reason to be annoyed at someone else than that that someone told him he sucks?

This was one of the things Serdoa did at the end of day 1 that I didn't like but didn't have time to point out. He puts down a weak vote for Goreripper, and while not daring to agree with the villagers who are stupid enough to vote MJW, he encourages them by disarming Meiz's "Brick was angry" argument. He wanted a Goreripper/MJW showdown.

So for me I think it's down to Mattimeo or Jowy. On reflection I think Mattimeo is a more likely scum than Jowy.

[novice]

Zak, there are many things you could ask Lewwyn about his play. I still wonder how he could view Goreripper as more of a patsy than Mattimeo, for example. It's all moot if there's no counterclaim, though.

[Meiz]

Well I think Serdoa's actions against GoreRipper clear him somewhat. With GoreRipper getting heat most of the day, it doesn't make much sensee for Serdoa to start to filter out his competitors as town. This will just force him to end up voting his scum-partner. I believe scum-Serdoa would have kept his voting options more open.

And GoreRipper was going after Serdoa. I believe he was busy on the deadline, because with two scum on the block, there's really no reason not to vote against Serdoa. Especially after voicing suspicions against him all day.

[Meiz]

@Meiz, MJW: You told BRick he sucks, I think zak mentioned that already. Does someone really need more reason to be annoyed at someone else than that that someone told him he sucks?

This was one of the things Serdoa did at the end of day 1 that I didn't like but didn't have time to point out. He puts down a weak vote for Goreripper, and while not daring to agree with the villagers who are stupid enough to vote MJW, he encourages them by disarming Meiz's "Brick was angry" argument. He wanted a Goreripper/MJW showdown.

I think Serdoa's comment is quite mild, so it doesn't encourage anyone to vote MJW. But it would look good if MJW was lynched later and revealed as scum.