WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[Bobchillingworth]

Now that you mention this, I hardly doubt that BRick would make things work that way. Not to go into meta, but one confirmed villager per day seems really bad (well, you could argue that the wolves can play around it, maybe killing one of their own clones). I'm guessing we won't get reports of the death of clones...

Anyway, not really worth arguing my assumptions, since we are bound to find out about how things work in a day.

"Hardly doubt"? So it must be awfully likely, then!


But yeah, everyone just not voting seems like a really cheesy strategy and I'm probably missing something , but at the very least we should be getting public reports of dead clones, since we have a dead clone counter on the first page.

[Ryan]

[Unvote] Enough for the joke vote. Il read up on what happened since i was on and do a big post.

[Ryan]

Heres the thing, I think we should test the ability. Make him use it on like maybe the 2nd highest voted person to be lynched. I would love to see how it affects the game. We also need to see how the scum will react. Will they go for an officer? or will do they go for someone else. The concept of taking two shots to kill in my opinion either means that Brick is going for a very long game especially with such long days OR I think we are in a kill heavy game. I think that would be an interesting prospect.

[spacetyrantxenu]

Well, maybe you are noticing this now, right?

I see what you did there. So basically anything anyone says can be construed at any time as reason suspicion enough that they're a wolf, and then they can hopefully be killed for it.

Was everyone required to bring their own body bag? (rhetorical -- I know Friend Computer will provide them as necessary.)

I don't understand half of what Bob just said, but is there a list somewhere with all the theoretical powers people could have? Or is it mostly/partially determined by how devious our GM is?

[Ryan]

@space You just need to keep your eyes open for hints. People give a lot of hints to their abilities sometimes. Also you need to be watchful of Bricks message. In the WW that I won as scum. People didn't read a role name properly and that hurt them severely. I don't know how many hints we get on our first day. Usually not that many. First days in WW from the two games I played are not that full of events. Some people barley talk until that first night goes through. We start to get an idea about how many factions we get, maybe a sk that does a second kill or an investigator gets to check some roles. Or someone pulls of a Gagzulm(was it him?) and insult fights a confirmed townie :D

[Jowy]

Well, maybe you are noticing this now, right?

I see what you did there. So basically anything anyone says can be construed at any time as reason suspicion enough that they're a wolf, and then they can hopefully be killed for it.

Was everyone required to bring their own body bag? (rhetorical -- I know Friend Computer will provide them as necessary.)

I don't understand half of what Bob just said, but is there a list somewhere with all the theoretical powers people could have? Or is it mostly/partially determined by how devious our GM is?

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Roles

There's a few. However this is a role madness game, so the roles can be pretty much anything :P

[novice]

Or someone pulls of a Gagzulm(was it him?) and insult fights a confirmed townie :D

Ah yes, that was epic.

Bob: Surely scum will have a nightly elimination ability.

Finger of suspicion on Lewwyn for defensiveness, attributing other peoples attacks on him to me, and tone-reading me based on a whopping two posts.

However I will lend my vote to Ichabod's cause, I like his reasoning around Old Harry's posts. Catwalk.

[Rowain]

@Bob:
There is an unknown computer putting votes in who would lynch someone anyway.


Old Harry just reads as Old Harry to me. Which means I agree with Ichabod. But since I'm already voting for catwalk there is no need to change it anyway.

Serdoa does sound like Serdoa and yes the strangebness of zaks post was not lost on me. Could also be done to get other people offering the same thing so that scum knows who won't use a PR during night 1 and have it easier to block any villagerroles. So zakalwe is my Nr 2 right now.

[Catwalk]

I'll stand by my suspicion of Old Harry. I didn't know he's a newbie, but he doesn't seem the sort to be put off by a bit of pressure. So I don't want to give him a day pass. I don't understand why you find my suspicion of him suspicious, it's stereotypical fluff.

[Bobchillingworth]

I don't understand half of what Bob just said

I know I used a lot of parenthetical qualifiers, but I don't think it's that difficult to understand:


This day we do nothing; if most people vote for "no lynch", nothing happens and we just move on to the night cycle.


Normally that would be a bad idea, because we gave up a (low) chance to kill a wolf, and now they can murder a villager- but they can't kill a villager on the first night! They can only "wound" one by eliminating a clone, barring multiple wolf killing powers (and wolves with vig-esque powers seems somewhat unlikely). The wolves could forgo attacking anyone, but that's a victory for the village, since the scum gave up their main advantage and every night they do so is one where they risk losing a member to a seer or similar role. Or the wolves could attack one of their own members- but that's also a minor win for the village, even if it buys the scum some temporary cover, since it makes the wolf vulnerable to a vig kill later on.


So then on day cycle 2 we have a single wounded player, assuming the wolves used their power. This person is most likely a villager. Not confirmed, but pretty likely. That's one less person to waste time voting for and mis-lynching, at least early on.


And then on the second night cycle, if we have some protector-type role they can cover the wounded player, forcing the wolves to either risk wasting the night or wound a different player- which then gives us *two* likely villagers the next day, making 3rd-day voting even easier.


We can't completely lock out the wolves this way, as Ichabod suggested- they'll eventually wound enough players that they can't all be protected (if we even have protector to begin with), and people will start dying. But we can stall them for a long time... if my understanding of the rules is correct, and vigs hold their fire for the first few days (to ensure there aren't multiple woundings, which would obfusticate who the wolves targeted).

Bob: Surely scum will have a nightly elimination ability.

Well, duh. But I don't think they have a nightly instant-kill ability, since the rules state:

"If a player is killed by any other means [besides lynching], they will lose a clone(life)"




Honestly I'm tempted to vote for either Xenu or Novice, since I don't think my logic was particularly difficult to follow, and novice sounds like he's purposely playing dumb (I mean, the elimination / wounding rules are RIGHT THERE on the first page, come on). Right now I'm going to practice what I'm sort of preaching and go No Lynch.