WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[Rowain]

Reasoning being that - as someone pointed out already - we would win in a equal number-situation,

Only if the 1.23 vote is village which we don't know.

[zakalwe]

The limiting of your options is only true if you have an active role. The nightkill itself can be done from any of them given their role-PM so if you are scum it is questionable if you limited your options at all. And even if you have an active role it might be one that isn't necessarily best used N1, so again it might not limit you at all and actually might even be better for you to get followed now than later.

And that's not even taking into account reverse psychology, as in: If I tell him to follow me chances are high that he won't because he believes that I would never do that as scum. Or role-blockers on the scum-side.

Quite honestly, that doesn't seem very thought-through imo.

I would also be limiting my options in the sense that I cannot claim an active ability, or at least not an active ability with unlimited shots. If I were scum, I would be reluctant to give any details about my role before I really had to, in general. Obviously not hugely significant by any stretch of the imagination, but in any case the point is that Old Harry has an investigative ability that will tell us precisely nothing unless someone makes a declaration up front along the lines of what I did. If nobody says anything like that, the chance of catching anyone in a lie will be zero, since adjusting your story to fit his results will be trivially easy. So that's why I decided to throw it out there. You may be right with your concluding remark.

[zakalwe]

(I thought I already posted this, but apparently it didn't take.)

I think it's been mentioned already, but this post from spacetyrantxenu was pretty bad.

All this talk of fluff and so much hostility already, in the setup thread! Brick, you better give us the map soon or this is all bound to turn ugly. I've also seen no mention of pick order yet, we going traditional snake or random civ/leader here?

At the risk of being accused of fluff I'm trying to figure out what the hell we do here. I gather that on day one you begin the process of trying to suss out who is town and who is scum, and without a whole lot to go on we have to read way too much intent from far too little text? And then lynch someone on scant evidence unless they do something so dumb as to make it obvious that they're scum the first day? But votes aren't required until the deadline, (which is....er...can someone convert that to US EDT for me?) so I guess we have more time for someone to try and out themselves before I cast an uninformed day one vote. This is totally not fluff, this is my first game playing, haven't lurked, trying to learn the ropes a bit.

So, in character (if the rest of that wasn't in character, I suppose), Catwalk is sure posting up a storm. Does that make him look guilty? And I'm a total WW noob, does that make me look guilty?

And I can't remember who it was who commented on Gazglum's excessive appearance of happiness/enthusiasm, but I think he's just role playing the happiness officer. That doesn't seem so bad to me.

Very eager to play the noob card, indeed.

[zakalwe]

Given the combination of clones and a multitude of abilities, Bob's No Lynch plan actually seems more viable in this game than ever before.

[Catwalk]

I'll stand by my suspicion of Old Harry. I didn't know he's a newbie, but he doesn't seem the sort to be put off by a bit of pressure.

I don't think Bob's proposed strategy is pure nonsense. It has the advantage that we will start lynching at a time where we will have more information from night actions. I don't think that the night kill will be particularly convincing of innocence (nor will it help us a lot to have one maybe somewhat confirmed townie), but other night actions might give us useful clues.

Still, I consider talking to be far more useful to town than to scum, and talking without lynching is essentially useless. For that reason, I'm going to vote against my proposed plan and stick with Old Harry. You haven't even tried to explain your vote on Azarius which was placed with zero justification. It reads to me like scum trying to figure out how to stay active without incriminating himself, and failing at it due to inexperience.

Whose plan is it, yours or Bob's?

Why would you imply it's my plan? I'm discussing the merits of it, arguing that it's not complete lunacy (in most games it would be, and I've been guilty of suggesting it myself before) but ending up advising against it.

And prior to learning that Old Harry was a newbie, how did you read him? Like scum trying to figure out how to stay active without incriminating himself, and failing at it despite being experienced?

I knew he didn't play when I was last around, so I assumed he was a semi-newbie. And it could very well have been his first wolf game after a few town games, making him a newbie wolf even if he'd played before.

Alright, I missed those entirely Old Harry. I'll accept that you did at least post an explanation, rather than dodge it. My bad on that part. I still find your early posts suspicious, but that suspicion will wane if you post more actual contributions and less fluff. I do think that your posts were more fluffy than the rest, yes. In particular, your post where you first promised to give us something to go on and then pointed out that you didn't. I'm not married to a vote on you, but I'm very surprised at how much suspicion I got for voicing those suspicions.

I don't like the bolded part...

Why don't you like it? It's an extremely common question when you're attacked: "Why do you find me suspicious and what does it take for me to dispel it?". I was pointing out that given that I suspected him on basis of fluff, posting less fluff and contributing more would make my suspicions wane. Posting fluff is anti-town, but it's a crime that both town and scum can commit. Calling people out on it is a pro-town move, as we all benefit from less fluff. I recall reading an atrocious game where Roland buried the entire game in walls of text with great success. Biggest anti-town move there was, and he was indeed scum. He should have been called on it. I do not have any kind of huge case on Old Harry, I had a hunch based on all 3 of his posts up to that point and I wanted to get some discussions going. I don't understand why I'm being suspected on grounds of that. Am I being suspected for something else?

zakalwe, why do you think No Lynch is a viable plan?

[spacetyrantxenu]

I think zakalwe has abandoned his tryhard town days and gone back to being a lazy scum

I know this is spacetyrantxenu's first ww game, but he seems to be playing up the noob thing a bit, he's devoting a good chunk of page space pitching up questions, rhetorical and otherwise. It could certainly be genuine, it just seems a bit much.

I got the same vibe from him. Kinda wish you waited a bit longer to call him out on it so we'd have more posts to look at. Anyway I think there's a high chance that he is scum and he's laying low by playing the noob card.

[OOC]Sorry, I have family over this weekend. They arrived last night and are staying through Sunday. I'm not deliberately laying low, I'm trying to be a good host. Also, most weekends from ~6 or 7 AM through 8 PM at night my little tyrant (toddler) is awake and demands more attention than the forum. I spent his naptime today sleeping myself rather than catching up sooner, hopefully that isn't lynch-worthy. [/OOC]

This is much harder than it looks from the sidelines (it is my first game novice).

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- I think Xenu is floundering about as much as I am.

Yeah, except I've never even lurked one of these games before. I got snookered by the fun theme and am having to learn it all on the fly. If my questions seemed like fluff, how would you all like to try learning how to play in a role madness game with no prior experience at all??

This will probably be the last chance I get at the forum before the vote deadline so I'll stick with my previous hunch regarding Catwalk and his aggressive-ish defense. If it's a bad read then I'm helping to kill an innocent, sorry about that, but he seems the most scummy from what little I've seen here so far.

Now, thinking about that a little bit, I suspect that it is a second wolf vote.

This is interesting, though -- Is there anything in the rules that says we can't vote to lynch the voting-bot just to make sure it isn't a wolf? Or would Brick just roll out another one?

And @Zak - 15:06, perhaps my use of a civ joke (where I've previously exclusively played at RB), a laughing smiley, and asking too many questions about what to expect in a game I've never lurked or played before might be too much. I should have maybe just known exactly what needed to be done before signing up and not done my on-the-job learning on the other players' time, right?

If I survive the first few days and get a feel of how things go I imagine I'll stop asking stupid questions and get more into the flow of things. Then you'll be able to accuse me for something other than ignorance of how to play the game.

[Serdoa]

xenu, the point is not that you ask, not the content itself, but the way you do it. It seems very much deliberately using your noob-ness as a "lynch-prevention" tool. Which is contradicting itself obviously because if you were truly a noob chances are that you wouldn't think about "lynch-prevention" - or even if you did, would not play it up additionally.

(Of course, you might just be happy. We are not used to happy tyrants ).

[Catwalk]

This will probably be the last chance I get at the forum before the vote deadline so I'll stick with my previous hunch regarding Catwalk and his aggressive-ish defense. If it's a bad read then I'm helping to kill an innocent, sorry about that, but he seems the most scummy from what little I've seen here so far.

Please explain what you mean by aggressive-ish defense, why you think I'm doing it and why you think it's a bad thing. I don't get it. Am I suspicious for responding to points made against me when I'm leading the tally?

[Jowy]

If I survive the first few days and get a feel of how things go I imagine I'll stop asking stupid questions and get more into the flow of things. Then you'll be able to accuse me for something other than ignorance of how to play the game.

Nothing wrong in being a noob Thing is, noobs have the same chance to roll scum as anyone else, so if we find something suspicious, we call it.
If you are town and we lynch you, don't feel bad about it.. Unless you do something really stupid, it's usually the lynchers fault for reading you wrong.

[Serdoa]

give Antimutant Lotion to Mattimeo

Please let me know if I didn't do that correctly BRick.