WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[Catwalk]

So first I'm suspicious for going heavy on Old Harry (was never the case), now I'm suspicious for pointing out that I was never married to a vote on him? I do not like fluff posts, I think they're anti-town. I think pressuring players who post fluff is good play. My example with Roland illustrates that perfectly IMO.

[Catwalk]

Greetings Troubleshooters. I am a utility bot that Friend Computer has assigned to assist you with rooting out Commie Mutant Traitors from among your midst. I will have a vote that I can use to help evaluate who is worthy of being lynched erased by Friend Computer for Treason. I am not an eligible target for votes, powers, or kills. Thank you for loving Friend Computer as much as I do.

BRickAstley

He's not eligible for votes Old Harry.

If I said I wasn't eligible in a quote and voted for BRick would you believe me too?

Good point, I guess I took the bot's text as official. You're correct that we can't rely on it off-hand.

[Jowy]

Good point, I guess I took the bot's text as official. You're correct that we can't rely on it off-hand.

Yes we can rely on it, it was posted before the game began along with the other rules.

[Old Harry]

The game finishes in two hours, no?

Two hours 45 mins from this post. I think you're an hour slow Rowain.

[Catwalk]

It wasn't posted by BRick, may as well see if it's listed on the vote tally. My guess is it won't, and then we can put the matter to rest.

[Old Harry]

Good point, I guess I took the bot's text as official. You're correct that we can't rely on it off-hand.

Yes we can rely on it, it was posted before the game began along with the other rules.

Aw, don't say that. That's my only original thought of the day blown out of the water.

Can you give us a vote count to confirm BRick?

[Bobchillingworth]

Yeah the robot being lynch-proof is pretty obviously part of the game set-up- the thread was locked by Brick when the message appeared, in the middle of him posting other rules.


Serdoa is very likely right, it's just a flavorfied version of a double-voter, or something similar. I kind of doubt Brick is voting in his own game. I certainly hope he isn't.

[Qgqqqqq]

Qg, my case was that he posted nothing but fluff.

Which is patently not true, as I mentioned above.

I do not stress his first post in any way, I stress the others. I do not find his first post the most incriminating either, you're putting words in my mouth.

No, I'm not, you're putting words in mine. I never said that you stressed the first post, my problem is that you included it at all, when an opening joke had no relevance. I'm stressing that as it speaks to me of a very minor case trying to pass itself off as something more. Yes the later posts are the important ones, in which case why include it at all?

I do stress his second and third post, both because of the non-vote thing and for wanting to talk about his ability.

That was his first post IIRC. Anyway, what's wrong with that?

Would you rather we sit around making vague comments on day one? There isn't a lot to go on, let's dig into what we do have and not lynch people for investigating.

Is this last a direct point about me stopping posting about you? If so you clearly don't understand werewolf. Why would I stop discussing something I find suspicious?

[Catwalk]

Qg, my case was that he posted nothing but fluff.

Which is patently not true, as I mentioned above.

Where do you mention this?

I do not stress his first post in any way, I stress the others. I do not find his first post the most incriminating either, you're putting words in my mouth.

No, I'm not, you're putting words in mine. I never said that you stressed the first post, my problem is that you included it at all, when an opening joke had no relevance. I'm stressing that as it speaks to me of a very minor case trying to pass itself off as something more. Yes the later posts are the important ones, in which case why include it at all?

Because I do not consider joke posts irrelevant. Tells have been dropped in opening posts before, including joke posts. Do you disagree with this?

I do stress his second and third post, both because of the non-vote thing and for wanting to talk about his ability.

That was his first post IIRC. Anyway, what's wrong with that?

Correct, he talked about his ability in the first and second post. So yes, I stress that part of his first post even though I lumped it together with the second post because that's where I caught it in my read-through. Making yourself seem important could be seen as a good way to establish alibi. Scum's main interest during the day is survival, town's main interest during the day is investigation. I think it's a small tell.

Would you rather we sit around making vague comments on day one? There isn't a lot to go on, let's dig into what we do have and not lynch people for investigating.

Is this last a direct point about me stopping posting about you? If so you clearly don't understand werewolf. Why would I stop discussing something I find suspicious?
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I'm saying I don't understand why it's suspicious that I make an early post poking at a trend I noticed. It was all fluff (yes, I maintain it was). And yes, I think it's generally better to go after players who post fluff than players who make an effort to build cases. If you persecute players who build cases, you're rewarding anti-town play and punishing pro-town play.

[Gazglum]

Good morning everyone! I hope you all slept as well as I did.

This is a good deadline for me, as I can be on a few hours before lynch without setting an early alarm.

I noticed this post from Gazglum.

Lacking any obvious tells like hammers and sickles being found in people's personnell lockers, I'll vote Zakalwe for making lots of 'maybe X could be scummy' musings without following up with the big red pencil.

Zak, you haven't shifted your first vote yet. Does that mean you think Merovech is genuinely most suspect still?

Lots of x could be scummy musings without backing it up with a vote. In general I would agree that zak does tend to this when he is scum. However, I don't think he has been doing it this game. He has seven posts so far. He only really mentions any type of suspicion in three of them, and of those one is his first post with his joke vote. He questions a bit in the other two, but I think it's a huge stretch to say he's been throwing around lots of suspicion without backing it up.

Your right that Zak hasn't been exactly pouring buckets of dirt, and I was pobably influenced by the fact I was one of the people he raised questions about. But I still don't like the way he's gone about it. After his 'I'm not going anywhere' post (which I consider a null tel), this was his first post of real weight:

Bad post...

At first I didn't really think so, but maybe you are on to something. The cheerful, enthusiastic roleplay that Gazglum's adopted might send off some false scum vibes, but he could also be playing his version of Colin the security robot from the HHGTTG game. And he's very eager to discuss things that I find somewhat irrelevant or uninteresting, such as the story behind the utility robot (time will tell) or who Old Harry should target (he should just use his best judgement and pick someone).

To rephrase, there's not a lot to talk about yet, but he still seems very eager to talk about it.

I also agree that Lewwyn was quick to peg me publicly as innocent. I seem to be a very popular target for buddying lately, and his baseline behavior is to suspect me, so it is a bit off. Maybe he's just trying to get me night killed so he doesn't have to worry about me later. :P

It's not a huge scum tell, but Zak never leaves those. But he's just responding to other people's comments, he's adding to suspicions others have voiced. This is scumhunting at its most passive.

You're right that Zak only mentions suspicion in some of his posts, that's what I don't like. Strip away meta and mechanics talk and where's the content? The only real contribution I see him having made is in questioning Old Harry about his Azarius vote - easy to do, since it was obviously out of nowhere, and saying that Xenu posted badly. It's the first day of Xenu's first game, that's low hanging fruit. I accept Zak's been busy, but it just seems very lazy play so far. He STILL hasn't made a real vote, going from 'joke vote' to 'no vote'.

Right now I think Zak is a good lynch vote. Better than MJW certainly. He reminds me of his play in our first game together when he was scum, and I picked it from his non-committal day 1 posts. There's just not a lot effort there.

I'll look at the top candidates now, and if its clearly coming down to a couple of others I'll change my vote at the end to the greater of two evils.