WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[zakalwe]

zakalwe, why do you think No Lynch is a viable plan?

I'm still reading through, so it's partly a placeholder, but it does seem more viable than usual, if the clone system works as advertised. Given that system, I also suspect multiple killing factions, which means it's less urgent for town to lynch.

The best argument I've seen against it so far is this:

I'll always vote to lynch a player because I'm here to play the game, not to watch it.

Great song, by the way.

[Gazglum]

For the record, I don't think this is Old Harry's first game, IIRC he played in the anonymous game.

I thought this too, but checking back it looks like we were getting confused by the fact that Old Harry was lurking while Hard Nosed Harry was a pseudonym in the game.

Speaking of looking back, in my Presidential Days during Two Rooms and a Boom, I made a campaign promise to the fine folks of Realms Beyond:

I'm offering you a vision of a better world. A more hopeful world. I can put these United Democratic Socialist States back together. I can find a place for the greys to live and thrive. I can cleanse the woods of werewolves, nerf the fast workers and put Serdoa in a good mood. I can do all this, but I can't do it without your help.

Shall we stop this bleeding?

Never let it be said that I do not follow through for my constituency. It is my very great pleasure to...

happyize:[Serdoa]

[Serdoa]

I assume the bot can only talk in quotes - and most likely only full sentences or even whole posts except votes. Together with the information that his first post was done together with all of BRick other posts makes me believe that the bot was setup by BRick and given over to whoever is now in charge of it. Therefore the first vote for BRick, as a meaningless one that does simply introduce the bot and what it is to the game.

Perhaps I'm imposing how I play scum on others, but the way I played in '27 was to take a target who has made some genuinely suspicious posts and look at everything they had said that could be interpreted negatively, going in great depth over all their posts. This is a good tactic for scum because it shows you as scum-hunting and can lead the lynch towards that target by taking a few suspicious things they have said and then casting all their posts in a negative light to make them a genuine lynch candidate.

Your description matches how I often play as village, at least as soon as I find someone I find worthy to get hunted. Can't really agree that that should suddenly be something that just scum is doing. And if it is not, if it is really only something that might be applied by scum or village, depending on the person playing, than you using it to put suspicion on catwalk makes you yourself suspicious. Together with your aggressive tone (which I really had more than enough in our last games) I feel quite compelled to vote for you.

[Serdoa]

Crossposted with you Gazglum. Guess I got lucky there, I would have to rewrite the last part of my post now

But I'm only allowed not to talk bad about players right? I can talk bad about BRick all I want?

[novice]

Tally as of post 244:
(Not including Q's vote coz he hacked Mafia Helper)

3 votes: Azza (Bobchillingworth, MJW (ya that one), Rowain)
3 votes: catwalk (Ichabod, novice, spacetyrantxenu)
2 votes: MJW (sunrise089, Azza)
2 votes: Zakalwe (Gazglum, Jowy)
1 votes: sunrise089 (Merovech)
1 votes: Azarius (Imana-665-C)
1 votes: Old Harry (Catwalk)
1 votes: [Unvote] (Ryan)
1 votes: No Lynch (zakalwe)
1 votes: Bobchillingworth (Mattimeo)
1 votes: OldHarry (Lewwyn)
1 votes: Imana-665-C (Old Harry)

Voting history:

spacetyrantxenu

[MJW]

BrickAstley

Rowain

sunrise089

Azza

Merovech

Catwalk

Azza

Azarius

Mattimeo

Azarius

MJW

unvote

Gazglum

Azarius

Old Harry

novice

catwalk

unvote

MJW

[Unvote]

Catwalk

No Lynch

Old Harry

MJW

Zakalwe

Bobchillingworth

Azza

Azza

OldHarry

Qgqqqqq

Bobchillingworth

zakalwe

Lewwyn

No Lynch

Catwalk

Imana-665-C

Azza

[Rowain]

Two hours 45 mins from this post. I think you're an hour slow Rowain.

You are correct. In 1h 40mins for others but now for me.

I keep my vote on Azza.

[zakalwe]

And @Zak - 15:06, perhaps my use of a civ joke (where I've previously exclusively played at RB), a laughing smiley, and asking too many questions about what to expect in a game I've never lurked or played before might be too much. I should have maybe just known exactly what needed to be done before signing up and not done my on-the-job learning on the other players' time, right?

If I survive the first few days and get a feel of how things go I imagine I'll stop asking stupid questions and get more into the flow of things. Then you'll be able to accuse me for something other than ignorance of how to play the game.

Where did this come from? Seems like a huge overreaction to me saying that your post was bad. You're completely rephrasing my argument, too. The point is that you literally said things like this:

So, in character (if the rest of that wasn't in character, I suppose), Catwalk is sure posting up a storm. Does that make him look guilty? And I'm a total WW noob, does that make me look guilty?

... which is very blatantly trying to underline how noobish you are, and the fact that your inexperience could make you look scummy. I never said you were to blame for being a noob. (The part about Catwalk might be interesting, too.)

[Serdoa]

Tally as of post 244:
(Not including Q's vote coz he hacked Mafia Helper)

I think you miss also my vote novice

[zakalwe]

I can agree that Azza is scummier than Catwalk and MJW.

The main thing I can recall from his play today is that he's stubbornly defending a poor vote.

[Qgqqqqq]

@Qg I was wondering about your agree with catwalk turn around and vote him way.

Did I explain myself adequately?

So first I'm suspicious for going heavy on Old Harry (was never the case), now I'm suspicious for pointing out that I was never married to a vote on him?

Frankly, yes. (Although you seem to misunderstand what my suspicions on you are based on, it was never about you being heavy on Harry - ooh it rhymes ) Being ready to switch off a player with ease is always suspicious, if they are scum then it could be preparation to jump off the lynch or a way of avoiding involvement in a mislynch.

I do not like fluff posts, I think they're anti-town. I think pressuring players who post fluff is good play. My example with Roland illustrates that perfectly IMO.

Agreed.


More posts!

I don't have time to find where I responded about fluff, but I think it was my first one since the night.

Because I do not consider joke posts irrelevant. Tells have been dropped in opening posts before, including joke posts. Do you disagree with this?

No, but they weren't here, were they? Your problem with his opening post is that it's fluff, not that he made a flugauto-esque mistake, so how is it different from any other first posts this game. Indeed, he raises his Officer ability and starts some discussion on how it could be used, which is less fluff then anyone else was posting.

Making yourself seem important could be seen as a good way to establish alibi. Scum's main interest during the day is survival, town's main interest during the day is investigation. I think it's a small tell.

That's not how I read it, but I agree it's a very minor tell, and I'd rather not escalate the post sizes.

I'm saying I don't understand why it's suspicious that I make an early post poking at a trend I noticed. It was all fluff (yes, I maintain it was). And yes, I think it's generally better to go after players who post fluff than players who make an effort to build cases. If you persecute players who build cases, you're rewarding anti-town play and punishing pro-town play.

With the best will in the world, I have no desire to reiterate my problems with your case, as I've done that 2-3 times already, but that's not why it was suspicious. However, I take issue with the last part. While I certainly don't want to stifle discussion or hunting, there is no reason why I should avoid hunting a player just because they are, in turn, hunting. That is basically something I exploited in WW27 and I don't think its license to avoid suspicion.

And once again the thread has exploded as I preview. I don't have time to catch up, but I'm happy with my vote for now.

I'm voting Catwalk, novice. Ol' Harry was a mistake, sorry.