WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[zakalwe]

It feels like we have the chess problem of having too many good moves to choose from.

Indeed. There should be quite a few bad guys still out there, though, so it's not really a big problem. We just need to be careful so we don't end up as in WW-whatever, where a day 1 scum lynch left us (i.e. me) a bit overconfident and the scum eventually pulled through. (That game where Gaspar and Meiz were the last two scum, and I did a Poirot impersonation during night 1.)

I agree that MJW's attack on Q was a bit on the unfair side. The strange thing (to me) about Azza's play yesterday was how stubbornly he stuck to his vote on MJW. So it could be the classic case of knowing that he was right.

[Lewwyn]

One thing about Q that gives me pause though is this questionable vote from MJW:

Qgqqqqq I really don't like that megapost because it was obviously made someonewhere other than the main thread at a different time. He did not response to he latest posts at all. The other candidates, catwalk and myself, were already pushed so the wolfs had no choice but to push Qgqqqq to try and save azza.

MJW, how are you supposed to write a wall of text without doing some preparation? This reeks of scum piling onto an easy target with a supplementary reason.

Yes MJW made a vote on Qg that made me shake my head, but made me smile too because it was pretty much 100% MJW. If you think thats a cop out, fine but I see him fairly innocent. Which makes this vote:

In summary, I guess I vote MJW so I'm not accused of sheeping. But I basically agree with all the loud voices right now. It feels like we have the chess problem of having too many good moves to choose from.

make me go WTF?

You say you have so many good moves to choose from and you choose MJW? Because you don't want to be a sheep? He voted for Qg, which is who you voted for so now him voting Qg is equal to scum piling? Isn't it kind of the opposite? Now there are less people on Q so MJW on Q is actually less sheeping than you voting for MJW. Anyway, color me skeptical. There are so many better votes than MJW.

[Qgqqqqq]

Good points on Old Harry/Merovech guys.

Novice:

Q defends with walls of text.

Do you have any reaction to this? I don't understand quite why it was included - in its entirety though spoiled - if you don't have any intention of responding to it or saying how it affected you. The point on MJW is good, if minor and kinda in character for MJW, but otherwise I think this post is very filler, and while it briefly shows your stance on some of the issues it doesn't offer any real new content.

[Lewwyn]

It feels like we have the chess problem of having too many good moves to choose from.

Indeed. There should be quite a few bad guys still out there, though, so it's not really a big problem. We just need to be careful so we don't end up as in WW-whatever, where a day 1 scum lynch left us (i.e. me) a bit overconfident and the scum eventually pulled through. (That game where Gaspar and Meiz were the last two scum, and I did a Poirot impersonation during night 1.)

I agree that MJW's attack on Q was a bit on the unfair side. The strange thing (to me) about Azza's play yesterday was how stubbornly he stuck to his vote on MJW. So it could be the classic case of knowing that he was right.

Seriously? Couldn't it be a classic case of Azza trying to get MJW lynchbaited up? MJW is always going to be an easier lynch because he confuses people and make strange connections and strange points. Maybe Azza was hoping MJW would mess up more? I just don't see scum Azza and scum MJW getting locked in on each other like that. No point for MJW to stay locked in on Azza.

[Lewwyn]

Good points on Old Harry/Merovech guys.

Novice:

Q defends with walls of text.

Do you have any reaction to this? I don't understand quite why it was included - in its entirety though spoiled - if you don't have any intention of responding to it or saying how it affected you. The point on MJW is good, if minor and kinda in character for MJW, but otherwise I think this post is very filler, and while it briefly shows your stance on some of the issues it doesn't offer any real new content.

Exactly. Its very scum novice. The exact way he has played Day 1.

[zakalwe]

I just don't see scum Azza and scum MJW getting locked in on each other like that. No point for MJW to stay locked in on Azza.

Two scum voting for each other early on day 1 is hardly uncommon. And I would argue that MJW didn't lock his vote in on Azza very forcefully. And when you're the second vote on your scumbuddy, the idea is usually to have insurance in the scenario where he gains a lot of traction, and in that case stay there.

I'm not sure I agree with MJW being such an easy lynch, either. So maybe Serdoa is right when he says that Azza wouldn't make a mistake like that. (Even if that also sounded like a bit of a lame excuse from Serdoa.) In short, the way he cast a weak vote for MJW and then stubbornly stuck to it actually fits pretty well as scum on scum interaction.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Well Brick messed up. Someone did visit me tonight and I won't need "help" for the rest of the game. I'll tell the person who targeted me that I will go after the most 'obvious target' and you don't have to worry about it.

Can anyone link to a mega post Qgqqqq did when he was a villager? I find it out of character to him and he did not respond to new posts after he posted it.

I'm a bit busy because I have 2 job interviews over 2 days but I can still play. Just not a lot.

[Serdoa]

Upfront, I'm at work now, so expect me to actually have to work for the next 6-7 hours with some pauses in between.

So, I reread novice. He started at Lewwyn, mentioned catwalk shortly and finally landed on Q. The reason is that Q first was on Old Harry together with catwalk (and appearantly partly by agreeing with catwalk on some points about Harry) but later changed his mind and instead voted catwalk, giving as reason the way catwalk tried to build his case on Harry. And that seems to be pretty much it for novice.

I could see the point he makes against Q at first, but I have not been very actively following that whole OH-catwalk-Q debate. Going from his posts he did. So it does seem kinda odd that he suspects Q here, because the reason he gives is Qs switching. But Q switches because he does not like the way catwalk blows up the case. I can understand that. If you have a hunch and suddenly someone blows that out of proportion you get wary that you might be on a villager that fucked up.

Apart from that I don't think there is much. He didn't follow his Lewwyn-suspicion at the start, but you can't follow everything you feel is odd and in the case of Lewwyn you might very well after this night decide to abandon it. So that doesn't seem bad imo.

Also, while I was driving here, I was wondering why you voted Azza Lewwyn. Checking your posts it seems you did the same thing I did, in this case mentioning towards Azza that his reaction to MJW is odd without actually voting Azza. And then you voted Azza with 1 minute to go. The difference between the two of us is that you hit a wolf with your vote and we don't know yet if I did as well. And you got hit in the night. But let me be tinfoil-y a little bit: Who's to say that you are not a wolf that decided in the last minute to bus Azza as you couldn't be certain if he would make it and so you could at least establish yourself as "proven villager" and then decided to let yourself get "killed" in the night by your buddies because honestly which village-vig would shoot you now? None, exactly, so with that knowledge it doesn't matter to lose a life, the only way you die is by the lynch anyway now.

(And yes, I know that this is being far-fetched and it will most likely be answered this night anyhow, but still. Also I wanted to point out that your and mine behaviour wasn't so much different than some might think.)

[MJW (ya that one)]

Zak with 20 players if I were a wolf I would find someone other than azza to attack. And you know how I hate to attack fellow wolfs unless I have to. Expect for you but I knew it would go no-where because novice was still alive. If I were a wolf I would just make azza defend himself and then switch off or probably just ignore him.

[MJW (ya that one)]

I don't think that the wolfs would pull a gambit like that Serdoa at the first day.