WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[Old Harry]

No, wer both dead. I just can't think of scum not trying to kill everyone as soon as possible. It's not like theyl chose two diff targets tonight to kill. Will they go for a lot of 1 life people? If Your a Vigi. You can at least blow your shot. I won't get any more info. I have a chance of finding anyone of the scum since I assume they can all kill , sk or Vigi.

No. Because that's not my ability. Death is a possible by product. I'm actually a doctor. By now I can't protect you.

Why can't you protect him?

Entirely unrelated - SK is a tough role, would having a double vote make it a bit easier?

[Old Harry]

Old Harry, that defense is so terrible it's almost a town tell. I'd rather have your unoriginal, truthful thoughts than manufactured original ones. And your flip would provide a lot of information, unfortunately for you.

Several people pointed out how Brick's opening posts explicitly stated that the robot couldn't be voted for. Why did you ignore that?
(This post states it, and it was posted by Brick while the thread was closed.)

Greetings Troubleshooters. I am a utility bot that Friend Computer has assigned to assist you with rooting out Commie Mutant Traitors from among your midst. I will have a vote that I can use to help evaluate who is worthy of being lynched erased by Friend Computer for Treason. I am not an eligible target for votes, powers, or kills. Thank you for loving Friend Computer as much as I do.

BRickAstley

Fair enough, I was trying too hard not to just parrot things I liked, I know some folks don't like that

People did point that out, but it wasn't posted by Brick, it was posted by the robot account (presumably by Brick of course) so I didn't believe it should have the same level of trust the GM gets. As stated before I was hoping for an official tally to confirm I was wrong.

[Lewwyn]

No, wer both dead. I just can't think of scum not trying to kill everyone as soon as possible. It's not like theyl chose two diff targets tonight to kill. Will they go for a lot of 1 life people? If Your a Vigi. You can at least blow your shot. I won't get any more info. I have a chance of finding anyone of the scum since I assume they can all kill , sk or Vigi.

No. Because that's not my ability. Death is a possible by product. I'm actually a doctor. By now I can't protect you.

Why can't you protect him?

Entirely unrelated - SK is a tough role, would having a double vote make it a bit easier?

I suspect you to be scum. I am not giving details of my role to scum. Same goes for Jowy asking earlier about more clarification.

SK having a double vote would be easier, but I do not have a double vote nor am I SK. Nor do I think there is even an SK in the game. I really think scum have to kills to balance the clones.

[Lewwyn]

On an unrelated note, there really is something fishy about Lewwyn.

You yourself are assuming that Ryan was targeted by scum, Lewwyn. So why would it be unthinkable for you to target him?

Not sure what to do about it if even if we think that Lewwyn is scum, because we might be able to rely on someone killing him in the night. But this feels a lot like Lewwyn the SK all over again.

Nothing fishy except that I am unwilling to reveal specific details about my "madness" role. Not SK. Just a villager.

I think that scum have two kills. I was hit and Ryan was hit. Of course I think Ryan was hit by scum. Its not unthinkable for me to target him if I'm scum, I guess, though I don't see why I would do that. My "really??" was just me having a moment of incredulous-ness that Ryan would scan me, get hit and then out me because he thought I was scum even though I was hit too. This seems like a kill heavy game, wouldn't you think multiple villagers have roles that kill?

Look I'm not going to explain anymore about the role just in case scum decide to attack me or not attack me, whatever.

[Serdoa]

That sounds for me like "We really should not forget Serdoa because!".

We should not forget you at all. You were one of those who tried a lastminute push to save Azza and get Qg lynched and that at a rather late hour.

3 minutes to be exact. Just to put that into perspective. I'd assume I would get more credit in regards to my "pushing abilities" to be honest. I have saved scum-buddies in the past, but not by pushing in the last second, hoping that somehow someone else jumps in. And honestly, if anyone thinks that in general scum is so dumb as to have 3 of them vote consecutively within minutes for the same target to save one of them, I'm not sure if I can ever take you serious again.

@zak

I don't think my latest point is the main point against novice so I'm kinda surprised to see you voting me while at the same time kinda agreeing on my vote against novice. Especially if it is with the explanation to "wipe that smile of my face". It's not like I smile because I want to, I smile because I was forced to.

And your flip would provide a lot of information, unfortunately for you.

Novice, care to explain how Harrys flip would provide a lot of information? Not to mention that he stated "when I flip town", which you safely ignored.

Also this post by Harry:

On the chances of Novice, Azarius, Serdoa, Gaz and me being scum I don't understand why scum would push Q when Catwalk was right behind Azza at the point novice started the bandwagon, so either the early Q wagon is villagery or Catwalk is a more powerful role than strongman (is there one?) That doesn't help me much

is imo a good question. I haven't thought about that, but it is actually true, going for catwalk would have been the better way for scum imo. So either one has to believe that he is scum as well (in that case why not vote for him?) or one has to believe he is village but for some reason was ignored by the perceived scum Q-voters. Which I'd really like a theory on why they would ignore an easier (imo) target that already had more votes.

[Ichabod]

Well, catwalk was sitting at 3 votes for an eternityand Q was being more discussed by the village near end of day 1, so it makes sense to go for Q rather than Catwalk (also, some people voiced that they disliked the catwalk case).

[Catwalk]

Checking at work, can't post much. I don't particularly think Qg is scum. It reads far more as misguided villager, and I was anything but buddying up to him when I suggested that he doesn't persecute players who pursue leads on day one.

I don't think Lewwyn is acting out of character, I do notice that he's gotten calmer and I appreciate that. My song earlier was just poking fun at him, I wasn't implying that he was playing differently. Ryan's accusation is a smoking gun, at the same time it's puzzling that he'd be hit by scum at night if he's scum. It's unlikely, but not far-fetched that they'd sacrifice half a wolf in an attempt to gain cover. Lewwyn, I see you referring to your ability as "vig" first and then "doctor" later with death a byproduct. That seems like a blatant lie. Do you have an explanation?

[Jowy]

I suspect you to be scum. I am not giving details of my role to scum. Same goes for Jowy asking earlier about more clarification.

Okay then.

Lewwyn

[Old Harry]

Gazglum you're hitting most of the right notes. I have also archived a post on OldHarry I'll post a bit later. But you did miss one thing:

Azarius posted some more today - nothing groundbreaking, but nothing suspicious either, so since I'm not finding novice scummy or 3rd party (I think he just wasn't paying a lot of attention at the start) I'll go for Lewwyn, who is posting up a storm, but they mostly seem empty (pot meet kettle...) and is just a bit too happy, as if he's rolled scum and is really up for a game.

Note my bold here. Why does OldHarry mention novice here? Why does he bring him up in a post where he's voting for me? I mean the explaining away his moving off of Azarius is a classic wolf move. But his connection to novice here is a bit weird and overreaching. Given that I suspect both of them independently of each other. This stands out to me.

Care to explain OldHarry?

You'd written this earlier on:

Obviously not trying to buddy up to anyone. Simply stating what I saw.

novice feels scummy to me. And not because he's trying to say I'm scummy. More because the tone of his posts feel scummy (or 3rd party) to me.

On my "posts seeming empty" accusation you put a string of posts together that I thought didn't say much:

- "If Jowy starts making sense and contributing in a significant way, he's scum. So don't worry about it Catwalk. "

- "It's been a while since we played WW. We have some guests in the thread(sunrise), and I'm trying to be more Zen again. If people think this is a scum tell, then I'm establishing a new village baseline. "

- "Mattimeo plays silent pretty often. Even as village. But it's only been half a day. I bet he posts again before the end of the day. "

- "I actually am in a good mood. Today I start vacation for the next month and a half. "

- "I have, in the past, correctly picked out scum by their first two votes in several games. So nyah.

I actually think first posts can be the most revealing. "

- "Like this post even if I disagree with Rowain about Zak. "

@Bob:
There is an unknown computer putting votes in who would lynch someone anyway.


Old Harry just reads as Old Harry to me. Which means I agree with Ichabod. But since I'm already voting for catwalk there is no need to change it anyway.

Serdoa does sound like Serdoa and yes the strangebness of zaks post was not lost on me. Could also be done to get other people offering the same thing so that scum knows who won't use a PR during night 1 and have it easier to block any villagerroles. So zakalwe is my Nr 2 right now.

Like this post even if I disagree with Rowain about Zak.

I dont like the bandwagon on MJW.

Me niether.

Too clarify I haven't seen anything MJW out of place and I think the votes on him could be either reaction village votes or hide-y votes by scum.

- [about Sunrise] "The post meanders, is conversation, excuses, votes MJW for something that is very tame of MJW and explained pretty incorrectly. Who thinks this actually implies MJW's role? Could be newby village, could be faked newby scum. I think we wait to let him see another sunrise before deciding. But definitely suspicious. "

- "Well Played."

Like the bandwagon on MJW is expected since on our first day we focus on a random target that ppl think wont be influential to the game :P or a newbie.

Aka, lynchbait and no real tells from the lynch.

- [about MJW to Azza] "Is he a raving lunatic today? I don't think it's even close to that. "

None of which I saw anything useful in, but this last one was probably what hung Azza so it shows what I know...

[novice]

Novice, care to explain how Harrys flip would provide a lot of information? Not to mention that he stated "when I flip town", which you safely ignored.

Knowing Old Harry's alignment would help clear up the Old Harry-Q-Catwalk-Ichabod connection.