January 21st, 2014, 14:28
Bobchillingworth
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(January 21st, 2014, 14:03)Jowy Wrote: Also, why are you suddenly so hesitant to roleblock Lewwyn? I'll tell you what it looks like to me. It looks like you only offered to roleblock him to save him from a lynch, and now that the storm is past, you wanna let him roam free the next night. You know, the guy that you claim you don't trust. Makes me wonder what you're really up to.
Are you joking? First of all, I don't think Lewwyn was ever going to hang today- I think at most he has had two votes on him, one being yours. The idea that I'm desperately trying to save him from the noose is absurd- I'm trying to prevent you and Ryan from wasting your votes on a bad Day 2 play (and get away with not contributing in the process). I am hesitant to block him because he has claimed to be a doctor! Now, granted, he's allegedly a doctor who wounds if he guesses wrong, but if I don't block him there is a chance he could save himself or Ryan, which could make the scum miss a night kill if they choose wrong (assuming neither is a wolf), or make them go for a wounding on someone else instead of finishing off a villager. If I block him, unless we have another doctor there's no saving him or Ryan. He could still be a SK or other killer scum role, this is absolutely within the realm of possibility, and I am completely willing to block him, if that's what the village wants- but I want to make sure that IS what people want. If a dozen people tell me that scrubbing Lewwyn is a bad idea, I'm going to hold off, regardless of your shrill protestations otherwise. It's a public power and we have hours left before I have to submit a target, and I'm not fond of you demanding I blast Lewwyn right now without even explaining my thoughts on the subject.
And I don't trust anyone, Jowy, not fully. This is WW.
January 21st, 2014, 14:31
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(January 21st, 2014, 14:05)novice Wrote: As for who we should lynch, I actually agree with Jowy that Xenu's turnaround from "help, I'm a noob" to "here's some content" is suspicious in itself.
I think I explained that when I said I'm learning how the game goes. It's day two, not day one. That's a lot of difference to me. Besides, who here had any real content on day one anyway? When it's all talk and there haven't been any scum actions yet it seems hard to make anything out of the clatter on day one.
January 21st, 2014, 14:31
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@Serdoa - I'm not voting for you because I don't actually have a scummy read from your posts, but did you ever make a short response to Gazglum's argument in favor of investigating the Q voters? What Novice says above is pretty in the weeds for my level of game experience (it seems like everyone defends themselves to some degree when threatened), but is a lone vote for Azarius really your best option?
January 21st, 2014, 14:34
Bobchillingworth
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(January 21st, 2014, 14:03)Jowy Wrote: Uh huh Bob. Self-defense is not scummy, don't try to twist the facts just to get your target lynched.
Forgot to reply to this top bit.
Self-defense is fine. Saying you're going to park your vote on someone you think is innocent to save your own hide is suspicious, because it could be a preemptive excuse for what someone knows is going to look like wolf-play.
January 21st, 2014, 14:39
Bobchillingworth
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Quote:I didn't say I was going to leave my vote on him though, so what's wrong with parking it there?
Generally I read "parking" to be synonymous with "leaving". Your vote explanation left me with the impression that this would be the case- that you were leaving your vote on Old Harry until you were sure to be safe (which could well be for the rest of the day).
January 21st, 2014, 14:41
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novice Wrote:Also, Serdoa is most definitely not acting his normal self, and he didn't declare any intention not to until after it was pointed out AFAICT. The impression I get from reading his posts today is "Oh shit I'm about to get lynched". Overly focused on nipping criticism in the bud, and less focused on making sense of the game. Gazglum gave a perfect example - Serdoa dismisses the idea of pursuing Q voters - which I recognize from my own scum games. When an idea implicates you, attack it even if it also implicates others.
Ok, that's now completely off-topic but a honest question: Why do I have to declare - or even should think about it - when I have decided to change something for my LIFE? I'm not stating that I am getting a new villager baseline and I am not. I have in general changed several things in my life and am still doing that. And frankly I don't think that anyone on this forum has any right to ask me to declare at the start of a game anything about my life decisions.
Now for the game-related part: I dismiss the idea of pursuing anyone for just one vote, as much as I - long before any revelations by Ryan - dismissed seeing Lewwyn as town just for one vote. I still pointed out points that I felt had merit, even if it goes against what everyone else saw at that moment. I also did point out things about Q-voters. But I won't run around and call them scummy just because they made one vote that was bad. 
January 21st, 2014, 14:42
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January 21st, 2014, 14:45
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Ah, what the hell, taking the trip is already winning, right? 
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January 21st, 2014, 14:51
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(January 21st, 2014, 14:31)sunrise089 Wrote: @Serdoa - I'm not voting for you because I don't actually have a scummy read from your posts, but did you ever make a short response to Gazglum's argument in favor of investigating the Q voters? What Novice says above is pretty in the weeds for my level of game experience (it seems like everyone defends themselves to some degree when threatened), but is a lone vote for Azarius really your best option?
Yes, I made even a long response to him already why I don't think it has merit to go for the Q-voters solely on the grounds of their Q-vote. And tbh when I read around what I gather so far is that I get called scummy not for anything I posted but for what others believe I didn't post. What imo is unfair because despite not getting many votes, I can count in my head how many players already stated "I will vote Serdoa". Pretty much I just wait right now for someone to be the nail in the coffin and imo Jowy tried that with his vote already.
And you are right that my vote for Azarius is not helping, but I am home for 1 hour 45 minutes now, I had to eat something first, read the posts that happened in the meantime, actually talk with my wife and answer what I thought has to be answered. Right now I have gone through Gazglum posts, which I have some points to make but I am wrestling with myself if I should or not, because despite me not liking it much, I don't see much to point out currently except his zakalwe-vote D1 that was odd and his pretty much skating by on D2. Which imo is enough to call him scum, but that was all already mentioned in this thread and if others did not agree then the most likely won't agree now (and I would like to use my time more sensibly instead of wasting it with stuff that is skipped by everyone)
Obviously I could simply join the vote-leader. But I don't want to vote for Harry right now. He has 8 votes already, that seems a lot for someone that I haven't read scummy when I read the thread. I will reread him specifically, but right now, just from the amount of votes he has I am hestitant to believe him to be scum.
And if someone wants to know whom I feel is scum: novice, Azarius, Gazglum.
January 21st, 2014, 14:51
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Tally as of post 699:
6 votes: Old Harry ( Qgqqqqq, Gazglum, sunrise089, spacetyrantxenu, Mattimeo, Bobchillingworth)
3 votes: novice ( Rowain, MJW (ya that one), Old Harry)
2 votes: Serdoa ( Azarius, Jowy)
2 votes: Spacetyrantxenu ( Merovech, novice)
2 votes: OldHarry ( Ichabod, Lewwyn)
1 votes: Azarius ( Serdoa)
1 votes: Merovech ( zakalwe)
1 votes: Lewwyn ( Ryan)
1 votes: unvote ( Catwalk)
1 votes: Rowain ( Imana-665-C)
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