WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[MJW (ya that one)]

Should I reveal the last person who visited lewwyn?

Someone watched me on the first night. I watched Lewwyn this night and saw Serdoa and two other players visit him.

huh, wonder who the third was.

uh.. I mean... no, no reason for you to do that >_>

also, Qgqqqqq's reaction when he wakes up is going to be bloody hilarious

Okay. So did you learn anything that's very useful today?

[Serdoa]

e) Why I believe that Serdoa is village:

-1) The items he has handed out so far where both protective/healing items. You would not give them to villagers as scum.
-2) Our interaction.

Well I don't buy this. That is not enough to divert the Serdoa wagon like you did. And Serdoa had only handed out one item when you made your announcement that he should not be lynched.

You need to claim so that our power roles get a chance to corroborate or disprove your story.

Serdoa, why did you answer "Yes" to MJW's question on whether the person you tracked moved?

Because Gazglum moved? Had I stated no and later revealed that Lewwyn didn't but Gaz did you would not have believed me (especially if Gaz had made points against me it would have looked like a deflection by me). Had I stated Yes / No (as I had written already before deciding against it) it would have revealed that I tracked two people and given Harrys claim everyone with half a brain would have known about Qs ability, and I didn't see a reason to reveal this. Coupled with Lewwyns claim that he did not move by himself earlier, there also was no reason to reiterate on this if he didn't seem likely to get killed. Apart from the obvious theoretical possibility of someone claiming he saw Lewwyn kill which I could have disproven then.

As for Rowain: I don't believe he can give you more than that. Only if he is in a villager talking group together with a seer. But if he is I doubt it makes sense to pressure him to claim that, just so you can pressure afterwards the seer to claim. Either you believe him as he believed in me or you don't. Given the night-results for this night, I hardly see a reason not to believe him.

Also if you don't believe I am a wolf, there is no reason to believe that Rowain is one, as it would make no sense for him in that case to stop the lynch on me. Heck, even if you believe I am a wolf, do you really think another wolf would be so obvious in saving me? And if so, would I then write this and not something else instead? Like that we have a talking group since N1 as he is a commuter-seer that can scan people and if innocent talk with them for a day privately but if scum he'll instead lose a clone? That's a cool role for my next game btw, don't steal it!

[Ichabod]

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[Serdoa]

I'm a bit annoyed that you didn't tell us about tracking two people, Serdoa. If you not a wolf it's too late for regrets, though...

I didn't expect that someone watched Lewwyn and would counter-claim immediately AND claim his own role in the process completely instead of just asking if I visited only Gazglum or something along those lines.

[Ichabod]

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bugs!!

bobchillingworth

[MJW (ya that one)]

I'm a bit annoyed that you didn't tell us about tracking two people, Serdoa. If you not a wolf it's too late for regrets, though...

I didn't expect that someone watched Lewwyn and would counter-claim immediately AND claim his own role in the process completely instead of just asking if I visited only Gazglum or something along those lines.

Ah, so if I just dump my vote on you for visiting Gazglum you would have explained and I would not have to reveal. Makes sense.

[Ichabod]

Also if you don't believe I am a wolf, there is no reason to believe that Rowain is one, as it would make no sense for him in that case to stop the lynch on me. Heck, even if you believe I am a wolf, do you really think another wolf would be so obvious in saving me? And if so, would I then write this and not something else instead? Like that we have a talking group since N1 as he is a commuter-seer that can scan people and if innocent talk with them for a day privately but if scum he'll instead lose a clone? That's a cool role for my next game btw, don't steal it!

Lol, called it! I knew people were talking behind my back! It feels like high school again!

[MJW (ya that one)]

I believe Serdoa's claim since Lewwyn corroborates it. I'm still puzzled why you would defend him on D1 Rowain, that explanation added up to nothing much. Do you have extra information about him? I don't need to know what, I just don't buy the "he's a nice guy" argument.

I think it's highly likely we have at least one serial killer, and I'm guessing Bobchillingworth is one. I can't imagine him being scum after lynching Azza D1, and I'd rather go after communists first. I still like the D1 Qg voters, I think novice and Gazglum are good bets.

SK bobchilllingworth makes sense.

[novice]

Serdoa, with multiple scum factions I don't see any reason why you can't be scum. If you're in a two-man faction with Rowain it makes perfect sense to help each other as closely as you have.

If Rowain can't give us anything apart from the "Serdoa's a nice guy" line that's lynchworthy. In that case he vouched for your innocence and has nothing to back it up with.

[Serdoa]

Serdoa, with multiple scum factions I don't see any reason why you can't be scum. If you're in a two-man faction with Rowain it makes perfect sense to help each other as closely as you have.

If Rowain can't give us anything apart from the "Serdoa's a nice guy" line that's lynchworthy. In that case he vouched for your innocence and has nothing to back it up with.

I had actually written a part about this but decided to delete it as Rowain had already pointed out why multiple scum factions are highly unlikely. I'm actually not sure if I should write much more, but hey:

So you believe Rowain and I are both wolves? In that case - and when we are so close - why did he question me at the start of D2? Why did he not actually on D1 tell me that I should switch to Azza? I take it you don't want to come up with the theory that Azza would also be part of the same scum-faction as you seem to believe Rowain and I are part of? If not, why did I put myself into the fire by pushing Q up?

Honestly, look at how the days played out till now and if you tell me afterwards still that Rowain and I are wolves together then the only one that should be voted for is you. Even if that would be my first WW-game I couldn't play a two-faction wolf team as badly as you would have to assume given what happened.