WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[Bobchillingworth]

Should I reveal my own?

NO

[Bobchillingworth]

And yes, now he hints at other powers too which may well be true, but at the time he said 'I am a vig' and went to bed, and that's not good enough to convince me. It reads like someone playing for time.

Hah, that's funny, 'cause it read to me like Bob was posting at 3:30 AM and maybe needed to get some sleep.

[Ichabod]

Not sure why people want to keep so much secret about their roles. They all get revealed before the end of the game anyway.

[Serdoa]

I agree with a lot of this. But I'm not a scum faction. I'm certainly not a communist - I knew Serdoa was a tracker, and that he was extremely suspicious of me. He reinforced that at the start of the Night Phase. If I was a communist I would have been a terrible person to send on the nightkill, because of the risk of being tracked.

If I track you, you can always fall back onto "I always suspected him" and ask "why didn't he track Lewwyn, the one we knew had a kill-role". It's actually pretty easy to do in the situation you were in and definitely not a risk that was so big that no one would take it.

I concede that I could be a compulsive serial killer not aligned with town, in which case I might have wanted Serdoa out of the way as quickly as possible. But if that were the case I think I could have played it a lot better than blindly rushing at Serdoa, then confessing my dark desires before being forced, thus making it exceedingly unlikely that I survive to Lylo. If you're a serial killer you go all the way or you go home.

Let me know HOW you could have played it better Gazglum. Because I think that's a pretty strong claim to make, given the situation. I don't think playing it better than getting to confess before I confront you is possible. And getting to LyLo that way, as the town-vig shouldn't be an issue. Definitely less than not claiming for certain.

Also, I should point out that even if you can't know my mind, you can know my deeds. I am happy to be pointed at targets the village think are scummiest each night. As long as I get my dose of shock therapy, I am a happy Troubleshooter. (Although there could be scum doctors which would make that harder to pull off).

a) "Hey, I am the SK, please let me live and I'll kill whom you point me to - at least as long as it benefits me."
b) "Hey, I am scum, please let me live and I'll pretend to kill whom you point me to - though these damn scum-doctors will save them"

Btw: Have you thought about what happens if your kill is blocked? Was that now a scum that was protected? An overeager town-doctor that did not agree with the general consensus? Or a scum-doctor / roleblocker that blocked you to incriminate the townie you tried to kill and make your results completely unreliable. Basically your "offer" is not gaining the village anything, nor telling us anything about you before it is already to late.

[Gazglum]

a) "Hey, I am the SK, please let me live and I'll kill whom you point me to - at least as long as it benefits me."
b) "Hey, I am scum, please let me live and I'll pretend to kill whom you point me to - though these damn scum-doctors will save them"

Btw: Have you thought about what happens if your kill is blocked? Was that now a scum that was protected? An overeager town-doctor that did not agree with the general consensus? Or a scum-doctor / roleblocker that blocked you to incriminate the townie you tried to kill and make your results completely unreliable. Basically your "offer" is not gaining the village anything, nor telling us anything about you before it is already to late.

Serdoa, take a step back. You are just assuming I am lying. Yes, those things could happen, and you could always lynch me tomorrow if they did. But if I'm telling the truth and it works, then the village gets a bonus vig shot. Even if I'm a lying serial killer, you can get use out of me before throwing me overboard before the end.

Anyway, given that Bob has been outed as a killer and counterclaimed as a vigilante, I think it might be worth looking a little closer at some of his posts instead of running down the clock with large font caps. I'm going to do that now.

On the claiming issue, I agree that a village Bob shouldn't give away more technical details of his role. But I think it is fair to ask him about the flavour, because its not as easy as you suggest to make up plausible stories (having tried it myself as scum). And Bob's response to ignore the question until it was asked more forcefully and then shout his refusal to the heavens is, I think, suspicious. Bob's done nothing proactive today, he's trying to move his king out of check.

[Catwalk]

While hunting for serial killers is interesting, I still want Rowain to explain why he felt so strongly about not lynching Serdoa. If you insist that it was just a hunch, I'm going to call you a liar. If an SK suspect is going to hang, I'd much prefer one who voted for Qg on D1. Gazglum fits the bill. My guess is that Bob is either town or SK, and you're either scum or SK. You're the best bet.

On that note, your speech (and previous RP) about not being a serial killer makes it seem like you've been giving this a lot of thought already. If you're just a village vig, it's unlikely you would feel so strongly about needing to defend your claim as a vig is generally a very safe role to play in terms of suspicion.

I figured I'd be fairly safe from suspicion because of my ability, and claimed after all the other vigs because I didn't want Ryan on my ass. If he were to spy on me tonight, I feel certain you'd all be clamouring for my lynch. Sorry if that's bad play, I don't feel it is.

And I still want to hear from Rowain. I don't think he's scum, but his explanation just doesn't add up and he seems to be dodging the issue.

[Catwalk]

Gazglum, you want us to look away from one SK suspect (who voted to save a communist on the block) in favour of another (who voted against said communist)? That doesn't make sense. Bob can offer us the exact same things as you're doing (of little value, as Serdoa pointed out) and he has a voting record that favours him. Why would we lynch him over you?

[novice]

Catwalk, you were right to claim. I think you should claim your flavor after Bob has claimed his.

[Ryan]

Guys I won't post for a while just really sick ATM... I promise il find more vigs later " everyone is a vig"

[novice]

Mattimeo sums up Bobchillingworth's play perfectly here:

...and I don't like any of the current wagons enough to put a tiebreaker down on them, while needing to have left the house about 5 minutes ago with no prospect of being back before deadline.

I'm going to go [color#ff0101]Bobchillingworth[/color] again. A good number of his posts contain arguments that I fundamentally disagree with - and that's it's impossible to call him on due to the fact he *always* covers his back by looking at both sides. There's continual statements of facts or ideas that are just flat out *wrong*, several of which are explicitly mentioned in BRick's posts to start the thread. This continued duality of opinion seemed really odd, until I realised that it resulted in basically everyone coming away with the idea that they agreed with Bob, almost dismissing the aspects where he was just flat out incorrect for the points where he confirmed their view. Seems to be mostly working as a way to fly under the rader while ensuring the dissemination of false data.