January 24th, 2014, 13:09
Bobchillingworth
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Jowy, I'm fairly certain you belong to the small but select group of obsessives who are going to find anything I do in any context scummy. I can just imagine if I hadn't scrubbed myself:
"Oh, he's a SK for sure! He thinks he can survive the day, and wants to kill again! And he thinks Gazglum (the most obvious other scrub target) is innocent, so he's trying to spite the village if he does hang!"
No, I'm not going to change the scrub order. Believe whatever you want, I don't care. I already posted a small novel defending myself from novice and Gazglum yesterday, and now apparently Round Two of the Trial of Bob is "he has all the powers or not i dont have to explain" from Ryan and "I will vote for Bob heedless of behavior or reason" from Mattimeo. And you're probably still upset at me for not scrubbing Lewwyn.
January 24th, 2014, 13:37
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Tally as of post 1321:
5 votes: Novice ( Bobchillingworth, Merovech, Serdoa, Imana-665-C, Catwalk)
5 votes: bobchillingworth ( Ichabod, Mattimeo, Gazglum, Jowy, Ryan)
4 votes: Gazglum ( zakalwe, MJW (ya that one), Azarius, Qgqqqqq)
1 votes: Mattimeo ( Lewwyn)
1 votes: Azarius ( Rowain)
1 votes: Rowain ( novice)
Voting history:
January 24th, 2014, 13:51
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Novice sure is high on the list. I don't care that much, because I find him suspicious. I'm afraid, though, that the thing I find suspicious about him may actually have nothing to do with the game (he seems way more serious and, at least it feels that way, more stressed than usual). Novice played enough games as mafia and this behaviour is new, so you could say the argument doesn't hold. But, even if he hasn't acted like this before while playing as scum, I still think it's more likely that he'd play this way as scum. It's a thin line between the two possibilities, though.  This is not funny, but I can't stop laughing!! 
Bob, on the other hand, is more suspicious. His arguments for not lynching him are solid, but that's to be expected even if he's a wolf. I have to be brave here and not be eluded by his sweet talk! 
I have to say that I don't like the people voting with me on bob. 
Anyone made the mathematics of how profitable it's for the village to keep a village Gazglum alive? You know, considering the chances he has to keep on hitting villagers, compared to how much lynching an innocent would cost us. Maybe it's actually a good value play to kill gazglum now, even if he's indeed a villager. If that's the case, we should do it, the chance of him being a baddie would be just gravy.  I like gravy on my popcorn (no, I don't like). 
Who do you plan to target today, oh, friendly-SK-Glum? 
January 24th, 2014, 14:09
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Ichabod, lets assume we have 4 scum left (so they started with 5 out of 20 players, which seems fine). 4 scum in right now 16 (Azza, Harry died, Lewwyn left, Gazglum doesn't target himself obviously) players remaining is a 1 in 4 chance to hit scum. Therefore we lose in theory 3 village-clones and hit 1 scum-clone. Means in theory we trade 3 villagers for 1 scum. Which I'm pretty sure is actually not worth it.
And that does not take into account the problems with the whole idea. Lets assume Gazglum announces whom he tries to kill.
a) We don't know if he does do it, if we don't track him. Right now I'm on 1 live, so most likely not here tomorrow. So even if we have another tracker, he has to out himself for that plan to work sooner than later.
b) If he announces to kill a scum they might have a roleblocker to block him. If they do, do we kill his target? But what if they do block him despite him targetting a villager? In that case we mislynch and probably also lose the day without discussing much at all. So not only can't we reliably track him, even if we could, we can not be certain on the outcome.
All that makes it even more unlikely that he can actually help us, so the ratio gets even worse than 3 to 1 most likely. And I wouldn't really like that ratio already, but with the uncertainty of the whole idea on top it seems not really worth it.
January 24th, 2014, 14:20
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(January 24th, 2014, 12:29)novice Wrote: My theory on Rowain is that he's lying.
novice Where do you think I lied? And if you don't find it I would like you to apologize for your choice of words and retract it.
And I do agree with Ichabod that you seem quite stressed.
Besides I get the feeling that scum did nothing today but lean back and let the us look foolish.
I would also like zakalwes opinion.
January 24th, 2014, 14:33
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January 24th, 2014, 14:51
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Does the day end in 6 hours? 
January 24th, 2014, 14:53
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Yep, and PB17 ends in 3 hours 
January 24th, 2014, 14:54
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So I'm dispassionate and stressed, is that it? 
I'll admit that being on the block for two days straight is slightly stressful.
Anyway,
(January 24th, 2014, 14:20)Rowain Wrote: (January 24th, 2014, 12:29)novice Wrote: My theory on Rowain is that he's lying. novice Where do you think I lied? And if you don't find it I would like you to apologize for your choice of words and retract it. You already lied about me demanding that everybody claims their role... Be that as it may, my theory is that you misled town to believe that you had evidence of Serdoa's innocence. If that is the case and you actually don't have any extra information from your role regarding Serdoa's alignment, you should come clean now.
I'll compromise with you. Just answer yes or no: Do you have out-of-thread information regarding Serdoa's alignment?
I have to run.
January 24th, 2014, 15:05
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I think that's a very reasonable question, and I think Rowain is dodging it because he doesn't want to get caught in lies later on. And I still think you smell like a wolf novice.
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