January 25th, 2014, 05:13
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(January 25th, 2014, 04:15)MJW (ya that one) Wrote: I'm pretty sure that at least one of Bob and Catwalk is a wolf. Two vigs are too much with a village sk and there's third faction too. Bob is more likely as catwalk came forward and Bob was not willing to full reveal. Also, me being a night-target would be helpful to bob as he would not have to backtrack. Needless to say anyone else who can kill has a very high chance of being wolf and should be auto-lynched. We might even no-lynch to exploit this even more. Unless catwalk is the real sk him clamming vig makes no sense at all so he's the only killer that should not be auto-lynched.
I don't think they are that likely to be a wolf. I was about to make a post about this but deleted it because I thought the information isn't very valuable but maybe I'm wrong. Lets look at it:
N1: Lewwyn, Ryan - Old Harry (blocked)
N2: MJW, Q - Serdoa
We know that Harry and I were done by Gazglum, so what it leaves is 2 clone-kills per night. Which amounts to slightly less than a full-kill per night if we assume two scum-factions (possibility to hit the same target) or at best 1 kill. Together with Gazglum it is probably around 1.3 kills per night. In a role madness game that as we already know has protection roles that doesn't seem that much imo. I could easily see Bob adding vigs to spice it up (and also because there are just so many roles you can use that are actually fun before you have to repeat yourself).
Heck, if we trust Mattimeos statement that having a town-aligned SK is perfectly great and all then we have to even distract town-vigs from the night-kill number (no, I don't understand his math at all either...).
January 25th, 2014, 05:25
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(January 25th, 2014, 04:37)novice Wrote: (January 25th, 2014, 04:11)Serdoa Wrote: In that case: Yes, I knew it all along, which, given that I know I am a villager, made me even more certain that he is very likely town. Well, and given that I know that he wasn't killing on N1.
You think a town player without out of thread info is the most likely explanation for someone declaring you innocent? How would he know that you're innocent?
To the extent that you found my questioning of Rowain scummy and actively did everything you could to let Rowain not have to answer my questions?
Yes I think a town-player that is fighting with me the whole day and realizes while doing so that actually I am very likely town is the most likely explanation for someone asking everyone else not to lynch me. I know you don't like it, but the matter of fact is that he did not declare me innocent novice, no matter how many times you repeat it.
And yes, I still find your questioning scummy. It is not like scum isn't asking questions - they are. And they try to spin everything in a way to get townies lynched. Which from all I know fits pretty good as description for your behaviour.
Also novice, answer now a question in return please: Why do you not try to actually discuss with me the points I make? You actively ignore everything I say except a few parts which you pick out and start to question. Why for example do you ask me if I really thought that the most likely explanation for Rowains behaviour was him being town without any more information on me, when I wrote in the post you quoted that I also knew he didn't kill. Therefore obviously I did not simply see his behaviour, be happy that I'm not dead and ignore the question why he asked that you guys don't lynch me but I did indeed think about what alignment he most likely is. And came to the point that being part of the commies is extremely unlikely (Azza-vote, helping a town-player [me]). Leaves SK which as he didn't kill makes no sense either. So I had every reason to believe him town.
And honestly, it is extremely frustrating how you do ignore these points every time I bring them up. That's most of the reason that I think you are scum. Your complete ignorance of everything that does not fit in the case you are trying to build. What is really interesting, given that you have not only once told me to stop doing exactly that (well, most of the time it was zak telling me, but you had your fair share in these discussions).
January 25th, 2014, 05:33
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(January 25th, 2014, 05:07)Serdoa Wrote: Please let us know what he learned now about the Old Harry-Q-catwalk-Ichabod connection (and where this connection actually was established, as I can't remember to what that refers).
Off the top of my head, all IIRC: Old Harry made a weak opening post. Q and Catwalk attacked OH over it. Ichabod posited they were pouncing on lynchbait. Q flip-flopped on OH after Ichabod's theory gained popularity and joined Ichabod and me on Catwalk, and came out looking scummy. We now know OH was indeed lynchbait.
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January 25th, 2014, 05:35
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January 25th, 2014, 05:44
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Serdoa, I think you're sidestepping my questions that's why I don't address all of yours. You're trying to drown the discussion. Besides I need to ration my time.
Simply put, you and Rowain have too much faith in each other for townies with no out of thread info. You refuse to acknowledge this. It's not like Rowain couldn't be scum with a scumbuddy who killed.
Who did Rowain visit on N1?
Rowain, what is it Serdoa "talks too much" about?
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January 25th, 2014, 05:46
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And what ability could possibly be valuable enough to attract this much heat over, Rowain? Why not just come clean? Same question to Bob, for that matter.
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January 25th, 2014, 06:36
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Day 1 tally:
6 votes: Azza ( Bobchillingworth, MJW (ya that one), Rowain, zakalwe, Imana-665-C, Lewwyn)
5 votes: Qgqqqqq ( Gazglum, novice, Azarius, Serdoa, Old Harry)
3 votes: catwalk ( Ichabod, Qgqqqqq, spacetyrantxenu)
2 votes: MJW ( sunrise089, Azza)
1 votes: sunrise089 ( Merovech)
1 votes: Old Harry ( Catwalk)
1 votes: zakalwe ( Jowy)
1 votes: Bobchillingworth ( Mattimeo)
1 votes: [No Vote] ( Ryan)
Voting history:
Day 2 tally:
10 votes: Old Harry ( Gazglum, sunrise089, Bobchillingworth, zakalwe, Rowain, novice, Imana-665-C, Catwalk, Qgqqqqq, Lewwyn)
6 votes: novice ( Old Harry, Ichabod, Serdoa, MJW (ya that one), Merovech, Ryan)
3 votes: Serdoa ( Azarius, Jowy, spacetyrantxenu)
1.23 votes: Bobchillingworth ( Mattimeo)
Voting history:
Day 3 tally:
9 votes: Gazglum ( zakalwe, Azarius, Bobchillingworth, Serdoa, Imana-665-C, Qgqqqqq, Merovech, Catwalk, MJW (ya that one))
5.23 votes: bobchillingworth ( Ichabod, Mattimeo, Gazglum, Jowy, Ryan)
2 votes: Rowain ( sunrise089, novice)
1 votes: Qgqqqqq ( spacetyrantxenu)
1 votes: Azarius ( Rowain)
Voting history:
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January 25th, 2014, 06:56
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Just normal town Serdoa anything against him scum and spans the hell out of u  . MJW ? What do u want from Ryan?
January 25th, 2014, 07:02
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Serdoa your my target tonight FYI
January 25th, 2014, 07:05
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(January 25th, 2014, 07:02)Ryan Wrote: Serdoa your my target tonight FYI
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