WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[Catwalk]

You had all day yesterday to tell us that and now suddenly that's damning? Anything that gives you town cred is a potential scum move. Not necessarily likely, but clamming up like he did yesterday is not a very likely villager move either. I'd consider healing a clone on a seer to be less extreme than bussing Azza, but both are very much possible. Or have you suddenly decided I'm scum because I'm poking at your alibi?

[Catwalk]

Forgot to add, you just cleared novice who's every bit as suspicious of Rowain as I am.

[Serdoa]

And obviously if someone is agreeing with a villager he has to be a villager himself, because as we all know villagers are always right

[Catwalk]

Yesterday two unconfirmed players were pursuing Rowain, today a villager and an unconfirmed player are still pursuing Rowain. And yet it seems to be more damning today somehow. I don't understand the change.

[Qgqqqqq]

@QG
whom did you visit on N1 and what did you do?

Are you sure you want me to reveal now?

[Qgqqqqq]

Me and Mattimeo's point is that Rowain said he used the docbot on Ryan N2 to heal him. Now he's suddenly healed Q (or so Q assumes) using... what?

I don't know how items work, I don't know if the second item recieved just performed the same role as the first. I do know that I was healed and I know of only one player who has demonstrated the ability to do so.

I'm a clone donor. I can give my second clone to another player. I used it N3 on MJW but it apparently didn't go through. I'm assuming because I was killed and so I didn't have the clone to give.

This is quite weak, but I'm not prepared to dismiss it out of hand (that said, in a vig game like this it could be a good one for scum, especially if you have other heal abilities floating around.

Qg: what did you do N1, 2, 3?

Ceterum censeo Azarius

If we do a mass claim I suppose I need to do this now. I am a Matter Eater, which means I can distinsuish between flakes of skin on peoples bodies to see if they visited someone. Thus, (I'm not sure how this would work for trackers actually) I choose one person each night and check if they were visited by two other (chosen) people. Night 1 I watched you Rowain, and looked to see if novice or Gazglum visited you. (I wrote up the rationale at the time, I see no reason not to provide it:

So this is a role that's very specific, as I need to not only identify a nightkill target but also determine who would be sent after them. That is, if I go for hunting wolves, I could also just look at what common sets that will interact, which is partly why I included novice above, as he and Rowain are likely to send abilities at one another, other setups are Zak/novice and possibly Lewwyn/Jowy or Catwalk. I think that is the wrong priority however, as catching wolves needs to be paramount and finding other abilities is just a secondary benefit. So who do I think they are likely to kill? The obvious answer is Lewwyn, but they've just lost the (or possibly a) strongarm, so an obvious target might not be the best choice as it will likely be banered/jailed. Which is why I came out with Rowain, as he seems to be flying under the radar, and is a strong player who seems townish and is less likely to be protected. Of course if the wolves wifom and kill off Lewwyn then I will be pretty pissed. Zakalwe is another potential target, but he's very under the radar and I'm not anywhere near certain that he's town. Serdoa and novice are also possibilities, especially as a means of framing me. However! Both of them I'm uncertain of their alignments, and the more likely target, novice (because it doesn't narrow the field of late jumpers on me which I suspect there may be scum within) is also my hunch for scum. They could also choose another target randomly but there's too much uncertainty amongst the rest. And who do I think might be a) scum and b) sent out as the killer? Well as mentioned novice if scum would be likely to kill as he doesn't have any real suspicion on him and I have a bit of a hunch on him as scum...but this is just a hunch and I don't have any real reasons behind it. Serdoa...again, I could go either way. If he is scum, however, he's likely to want Rowain dead given Rowains posts overnight. But would he do the kill? I don't think I will go with Serdoa tbh, I don't have a strong enough read there. The other that I mentioned is Gazglum. Again, I have a hunch that he is scum, but some of his posts recently have felt more townish. A more obvious one is Ol' Harry - I just realised I never apologized for that, sorry! I just wasn't thinking - but again, even is he is scum, he's very unlikely to be the one using the kill. Azarius doesn't feel scum to me. Which is, again, not to say that I think all the scum jumped on me, I'm not that arrogant, but others that could be, like space and sunrise and Bob or any of a dozen others I just don't have enough of a read on or are just less likely to be scum then what came out of yesterday. One person you won't find in this list is Catwalk. And that's because, despite how much has been said in the thread, he just isn't top of my suspects. And while a lot of that stems from what happened last night, I also haven't cared as much as it probably came across. He *was* my strongest suspicion earlier, but that was as much for his his responses and other posts as that initial point, which I've been forced to explain so much that it likely seems to overbear the rest. So in my mind it comes down to definitely Rowain for the target, and then novice and Gazglum as the targeters. So same as before.

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Night 2 I targeted Lewwyn, and looked to see if Rowain or Spacetyrant visited him, and last night I watched Ryan to see if Zakalwe or Merovech visited him. I am not told anywhere anything about a booster ability, I simply didn't contradict it as I didn't want to reveal. My last shot of Ryan was done with a vague mind towards wanting to boost his power in case it was a hidden ability of mine or something.

Everyone: It is 100% confirmed that scum have more ways to kill than factional kill. Game would be way unbalanced if they didn't, since they need to hit us twice to kill us and we only need to lynch them once, and on top of that we've already got two confirmed town vigs!

No it really isn't. I believe it is a strong possibility, but it is by no means nessecarily the case. There are many ways to balance a game (and since when do we have two confirmed town vigs?).

I would still like to hear some actual reads Ryan.

I'm also suspicious of the lurkers: Mattimeo, Azarius, sunrise and spacetyrantxenu. But with novice cleared, I think investigating Rowain further can't be dismissed as easily as it was yesterday. I still think Rowain wanted us to believe he had inside information about Serdoa. I don't find that suspicious by itself. What I find suspicious is that he both denies having such information (while trying to be as vague about that statement as possible) and denies being misleading in the least in the first place. He may very well still be a villager who stepped in it. I also see the following scum options:
1) He's a communist and is buddying up to village Serdoa
2) He's a SK and buddying up to village Serdoa
3) He's a recruiter and has recruited Serdoa, or they have a 2-member faction together for other reasons
4) They're both communists

1 and 4 mean that Azza was bussed. That's starting to seem likely. Either that, or there is a newbie/inactive communist faction which didn't manage to coordinate vote switches and decided to let Azza sink to curb the damages.

You should dismiss 3 and 4 out of hand. They could be two different anti-town factions, but they won't be on the same side.

And obviously if someone is agreeing with a villager he has to be a villager himself, because as we all know villagers are always right

This.

And I'm out of time. Good luck everyone. I'll leave a vote on sunrise because I think he needs the pressure and I'm not sure at this point who I'd want to lynch.

[Jowy]

Everyone: It is 100% confirmed that scum have more ways to kill than factional kill. Game would be way unbalanced if they didn't, since they need to hit us twice to kill us and we only need to lynch them once, and on top of that we've already got two confirmed town vigs!

No it really isn't. I believe it is a strong possibility, but it is by no means nessecarily the case. There are many ways to balance a game (and since when do we have two confirmed town vigs?).

Lewwyn and Gazglum were town vigs

[zakalwe]

Friend Computer has blessed us with an interesting puzzle to solve! There's a (potentially double-charged) tracker on the loose, and we already have admissions that Catwalk visited MJW, Ryan visited Novice, and Novice visited MJW last night. Seems almost incredible if none of these players were responsible for the three corresponding kills.

Catwalks claim looks especially sketchy, but it is countered by a fairly townish read. His reasoning for targeting MJW is not very credible, though. At least it goes against the strong town lean that I had on MJW before he died.

Catwalk, anybody with a kill power had their chance to claim it yesterday. So there was no need to wait for Ryan's positive result, which did seem like a probable bluff anyway. The ability to kill would be a lynchworthy offense regardless of claim. In any case, I don't necessarily trust Ryan, and it's quite possible that he is simply a scum role seer, or a SK boosted with some investigative powers. (Recall the traitor seer from WW26.) So that's why I want Ryan's claim locked down now. He should fill in the last details and confirm that he hasn't got any other bells and whistles that he plans to claim later.

[Catwalk]

That is a very interesting claim by Qg. No mention of the booster ability, other than pointing out that he's as puzzled as us. Wasn't Serdoa boosted as well, without being hit by Qg?

[Catwalk]

So Qg hit Serdoa on N1 and Lewwyn on N2. Both claimed to get a boost afterwards, and were informed right away? Ryan, have you been informed that you were boosted tonight?