WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[Catwalk]

I'm also suspicious of the lurkers: Mattimeo, Azarius, sunrise and spacetyrantxenu. But with novice cleared, I think investigating Rowain further can't be dismissed as easily as it was yesterday. I still think Rowain wanted us to believe he had inside information about Serdoa. I don't find that suspicious by itself. What I find suspicious is that he both denies having such information (while trying to be as vague about that statement as possible) and denies being misleading in the least in the first place. He may very well still be a villager who stepped in it. I also see the following scum options:
1) He's a communist and is buddying up to village Serdoa
2) He's a SK and buddying up to village Serdoa
3) He's a recruiter and has recruited Serdoa, or they have a 2-member faction together for other reasons
4) They're both communists

1 and 4 mean that Azza was bussed. That's starting to seem likely. Either that, or there is a newbie/inactive communist faction which didn't manage to coordinate vote switches and decided to let Azza sink to curb the damages.

You should dismiss 3 and 4 out of hand. They could be two different anti-town factions, but they won't be on the same side.

I agree they would be crazy plays, but I don't want to dismiss them out of hand. The fact that you're willing to dismiss them out of hand is evidence that gambits like that can work "because no wolf would ever do that". I did leave out a somewhat more entertaining option:
5) Rowain is a villager buddying up to communist Serdoa
And yes, I'm willing to dismiss that one out of hand

[Serdoa]

Friend Computer has blessed us with an interesting puzzle to solve! There's a (potentially double-charged) tracker on the loose, and we already have admissions that Catwalk visited MJW, Ryan visited Novice, and Novice visited MJW last night. Seems almost incredible if none of these players were responsible for the three corresponding kills.

My understanding was that catwalk is not visiting anyone, but does choose a target to return kill if it visits him.
Also according to Ryan novice can not kill, what I believe. So he can't be responsible for MJW either. And Ryan has shown that his ability is at least what he states (maybe more, but not killing) by pointing out Lewwyn, who we know was a villager and therefore even if Ryan is scum he has to get at least the read he claims. What means he isn't killing either.

Also zak, as we know that Lewwyn was boosted as well I think you can safely scratch the "potentially charged". Whoever was charging me, he did not do it again - maybe he can't do it twice to the same player.

[Catwalk]

My ability is an active one (I pick a target), so I would guess that it would show up to a tracker or watcher. Serdoa, do you think that the charger happened to visit the same targets as Qg? Would be a weird coincidence, but seems to be the only option unless you're lying about being charged (or BRick is a horrible bastard mod who gave Qg a hidden ability). This is not a dig at you, but do we have any proof that you were charged other than your word?

[Bobchillingworth]

While I have only the greatest respect for Friend Computer's masterful ability to make "Role Madness" live up to its moniker, I am completely and utterly lost here among all the power reveals. I thought it was somehow determined that Qg was the "role charger" or whatever? But instead he's some sort of weak, convoluted watcher? And Ryan, did you scan two people or only novice? Novice's claimed role also seems really lame, but apparently that's a theme here. Perhaps someone with too much time on their hands could get a spreadsheet going or something :P

[Rowain]

@Qgqqqqq
Thanks for the answers
About the doubleup power - that one is cleared. And it is not Qg (that's why I asked you what you did btw)

@catwalk
6) They are both villagers
On what logic/reasons do you dismiss Nr 5?

But you being Dane and after todays slaughter in Herning I give you some time to dry that dears.


@Ryan
I would have preferred you scanning myself or Serdoa but it is your role so play it s you see fit (but of course expect criticism )


There is more to say but several interesting people have not commented so far especially sunrise.

[Serdoa]

I'll try to put one together, not sure if I get to it today though or tomorrow at work.

@catwalk: No, you only have my word that I had two charges. Well, and you had MJW watching me visit Lewwyn while apparently some players already could read from my first few posts that day that I had something on Gazglum (because I had followed him too). But there is no proof besides that.

Though that's still more proof then we have for your role or novices or Bobs. Or zaks for that matter, though that seems obvious by now.

[novice]

Questions for Q:
Why did you not comment on the assumption that you were a recharger? You could just deny it without claiming. It should be highly relevant since Serdoa had been accused based on claiming two trackings in one night.

Also, what were the results of your night actions?

[Catwalk]

@Qgqqqqq
Thanks for the answers
About the doubleup power - that one is cleared. And it is not Qg (that's why I asked you what you did btw)

Will you be commenting more on this or leave us guessing?

@catwalk
6) They are both villagers
On what logic/reasons do you dismiss Nr 5?

But you being Dane and after todays slaughter in Herning I give you some time to dry that dears.

Didn't even know we'd lost, I'm not a fan of handball Note that I did write scum options, which is why I didn't include the completely far-fetched option 6

Option 5 isn't really a scum option either, as I'm investigating you with this rather than Serdoa. Serdoa could very well be scum and you could very well be villager, but if so your buddying up is nothing more coincidence and not relevant to the pursuit. I'm not incriminating Serdoa with any of my suspicions against you, I agree with Qg that options 1 and 2 are far more likely. And I still don't have a strong case against you, I just find your comments the last two days extremely puzzling. I'm having a hard time believing that villager Rowain would throw a wrench that big into our machinery. I'm still very interested in hearing your explanation, btw.

I'll try to put one together, not sure if I get to it today though or tomorrow at work.

@catwalk: No, you only have my word that I had two charges. Well, and you had MJW watching me visit Lewwyn while apparently some players already could read from my first few posts that day that I had something on Gazglum (because I had followed him too). But there is no proof besides that.

The last bit is good, I'll accept that as proof for now.

[sunrise089]

catwalk, I believe what you state as your ability in general but would also like to be certain: You are really told all that stuff, including if the person in question did visit you or not?

Also, sunrise089 please explain what you did this night.

I started a conversation with Novice via mental link.

Sunrise I'm not getting much of a picture from in terms of alignment, he seems to be just popping up once in a while to post some comments and never really committing to a strong case or read. Also his eventual votes have been questionable (MJW day 1 who I read as town then, Old Harry for day 2 which is quite null and Rowain yesterday). So I would like to hear some summation of both of your reads (suggestion: top 3 scum reads and why in sentence form, and possibly top 3 town reads and why).

It's true I have been popping in. I don't want to do a whiny 'omg real life is so hard' thing, but I have enough time to read/skim every post in the thread and vote and whatnot, but not to keep up even on an 'every-few-hours' basis.

I don't agree my votes have been questionable. I was wrong about MJW with little to go on, but the Harry suspicion was shared with many and I still think Rowain is crazy scummy. I guess if you think Rowain is very townish you'd see it differently.

I've avoided doing a big info dump since I've read before they're frowned upon, but my top three scum are:

1) Rowain. I admit I'm no WW master, but I see a very confident post trying to save Serdoa and then immediate FUD trying to back away from it. This far in with so many other claims, I can't buy any explanation for trying to keep a role secret, and I definitely don't think Rowain was suggesting he just had a general lean on Serdoa.

2) Serdoa. Again, very obvious teaming with Rowain, including giving him multiple items when he knew Rowain had no power-granted inside info on Serdoa early on. Compounded by a meta-argument with novice I find very dicey ("I refuse to answer any more questions on principle grounds" is just very convenient for a person under fire).

I will be quite surprised if the pair above are both town. The main argument I see for them not being scum is 'scum wouldn't be so obvious,' but in a role madness game that's probably multi-factioned I think the simplest and most likely explanation is they're allies who had to make some aggressive plays and are banking on their vet skills to (so far successfully) keep the pressure off.

3) Bob. Posts actually seem townish, but just as a result of the vote yesterday if Rowain ends up town I'd think Bob would be scum.

[Ryan]

Give me until tomorrow please, I am just panicking over my final tomorrow..