January 27th, 2014, 10:28
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That is the don't lynch feelings obviously he reciprocates the suspicion 
January 27th, 2014, 10:29
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@Jowy
I fear the reveals won't tell us much, not if they can use factional kill and personal ability at the same time, what I assume they can (else it would be to easy to find someone who did his action only on certain nights). Anyhow, I still want xenus reveal and I think his general play deserves a lynch anyhow. But I'm sure that reveal will not come soon, probably only when 3-4 hours to deadline are remaining. That way it can't be discussed so players are more inclined to switch.
Oh well, Ryan, xenu, Azarius. Those are the three I think are most likely to be scum:
- Ryan for the acting and as Ichabod laid out his non-play on D1 and still getting killed on N1
- xenu for acting all noob at the start, just to show quickly that he very well understands what to do and his general play that rapidly changed from the start to now imo
- Azarius for being a compulsive killer and I said already with Gazglum that someone that has to kill is not really a role to keep around
January 27th, 2014, 10:32
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Well, I see where this is going. We are just going to lynch based on roles (*waves at Gazglum*) and lose yet again as village. These role madness games always end on meta discussions that are boring and, most of the times, just plain wrong (based on the false premise that roles and alignment go together). Good luck with that, fellow players, I couldn't care less about it.
January 27th, 2014, 10:34
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(January 27th, 2014, 10:29)Serdoa Wrote: @Jowy
I fear the reveals won't tell us much, not if they can use factional kill and personal ability at the same time, what I assume they can (else it would be to easy to find someone who did his action only on certain nights). Anyhow, I still want xenus reveal and I think his general play deserves a lynch anyhow. But I'm sure that reveal will not come soon, probably only when 3-4 hours to deadline are remaining. That way it can't be discussed so players are more inclined to switch.
Oh well, Ryan, xenu, Azarius. Those are the three I think are most likely to be scum:
- Ryan for the acting and as Ichabod laid out his non-play on D1 and still getting killed on N1
- xenu for acting all noob at the start, just to show quickly that he very well understands what to do and his general play that rapidly changed from the start to now imo
- Azarius for being a compulsive killer and I said already with Gazglum that someone that has to kill is not really a role to keep around
I could go around with these lynches. May I add that Azarius vote on me is plain bad and came out of nowhere.
January 27th, 2014, 10:37
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Hey Ichabod, everything ok? You don't sound so. 
As for the votes: I really would like to go through with Ryan, mostly because I didn't trust him from pretty much the beginning and him always throwing a fit when being suspected is hard to take. That started on D1 already and hasn't changed since.
January 27th, 2014, 10:44
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@Ichabod, Serdoa
How does Ryan getting hit on D1 imply his scummieness. I have so far not really understood this argument.
January 27th, 2014, 10:45
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(January 27th, 2014, 10:37)Serdoa Wrote: Hey Ichabod, everything ok? You don't sound so.
Just venting a bit, I guess I'm in a bad mood. I should be more controlled from now on.
January 27th, 2014, 11:05
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@Rowain
The argument is what I basically already had in mind (or stated, I can't remember) about Lewwyn: That he was hit deliberately by his scum-buddies to give him more of a town-read. Was wrong in Lewwyns case, but that doesn't necessarily mean it is wrong in Ryans case (nor that it is right).
Practically for me at least the point is, I can see that as a scum-play, I don't see his role implying anything about his alignment and that leaves his play to look at. And that basically consisted of telling us that he found someone that can kill, asking us to lynch that person and if we did not agree with that or even suspected him going into "drama-mode". What pretty much fits his play the last time he was scum imo.
January 27th, 2014, 11:31
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I think that argument about Ryan is actually pretty good. You could argue that it's even a bit too obvious, and that scum would likely have done that gambit with a more experienced player instead. But given Ryan's potential to get strong credibility because of his role, it makes sense. Moreover, he seems to keep handing us vigs to lynch. We could lynch Bob to see if Ryan managed to find us a communist, but we could also hang Ryan to help establish Bob's alignment. Then again, if they're willing to target a communist at night they may also be willing to rat out one of their own as a killer. I don't think that's likely at all, though.
January 27th, 2014, 11:42
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I'm not sure scum can hit themself. Assuming you and Ichabod are right would mean they need a devious mind-wolf because the standard order would be ryan claims first accuses Lewwyn and get hit the following night. Which given that novice (who was under heavy fire already) got cleared by Ryan would hint strongly on novice.
But IMO thats a theory we can (and should) leave for later especially as we have xenu, sunrise and some more ... to hunt.
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