WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[Qgqqqqq]

Except, you know, Rowain specifically saying we could lynch Serdoa on this day, the same day Brick made the announcement.

Once again, I am bound to ask, how stupid do you think Rowain or Serdoa are?

Does Rowain's behavior towards Serdoa suggest conventional strong town play? The expression "crazy like a fox" comes to mind. This is a role madness 3+ faction game with a RP flavor, I think you're assuming way too readily that nothing in the game setup outside the standard meta could make players behave atypically.

I don't think what you asked is relevant. What is relevant is does his behavior resemble conventional pair scum play? Obviously the answer is no. So there is a question of whether it could be unconventional and crazy in a clever manner, the "crazy like a fox" you mentioned (incidentally, since when are foxes attributed madness?), or whether it is in some way demanded by his role. Lets examine them each in turn, under the assumption that the pair are some sort of third party faction.
Firstly, the idea that this is some sort of genius ploy on Rowains part which Serdoa decided to go along with. How was it in any way a good move? It most certainly hasn't helped either avoid the lynch, as it has basically brought the two into a permanent limelight where each, Rowain in particular, is on the cards for a lynch constantly. And as has been said before, it's not as if Serdoa was a strong candidate for the lynch anyway. If someone will explain to me how this scenario makes sense then I will consider it. (You also have a tracker move which makes little sense as same faction, and it had to have occurred or else Serdoa claimed very riskily at a very early stage.)
Secondly, there's the idea that this is somehow demanded or encouraged by his/Serdoa's roles and that it is timed into the GM's explanation. To be perfectly honest I don't ascribe this any sort of credibility at all. No GM decree would force him to make such a post, and there's no way he would let it dictate his timeframe within the post for precisely this reason, and any roles activated at this point would also have no reason for demanding that he post that or phrase anything around it. If I hear a credible theory for why this is the case rather then simply the GM deciding that Day 5 was a nice round number for these things then I will certainly consider it, but I'm really getting tired of these ludicrious statements which have no reasoning behind them. And this is not just at you Sunrise, but pretty well the whole town. If I was scum there would be some modicum of satisfaction in watching the town returning to the same tired arguments every day, but as is it just makes me sick of this game and want to take the Lewwyn route out. Which particularly annoys me because I really like every other aspect of this setup and think BRick did a really good job.

Also Q this is a game where MJW WAS TOTALLY SURE the person who preformed a night action on him had to be town by rule, all he was missing was...reading his role PM So I take with a big grain of salt claims there is only one way to interpret a pattern of behavior.

This is a rather big jump, from MJW (known for his unusual plays) making a mistake based off his interpretation of his role to patterns of behavior can be read in different ways. Actually, no, I'll go so far as to say there is no relationship between the two statements. Yes patterns of behavior can be read differently, but I see no reason that the sane and smart Rowain would decide to perform a ridiculous gambit in which he states that a fellow scum should not be lynched until the day his presence would be revealed or his role activated or whatever.

I do not like [color-=red]Bobs[/color] reasoning here.

[novice]

Rowain, for me that reads extremely scummy. I see no reason for a villager to post that.

I find that surprising.

Rowain seems like a poor lynch today given the night results.

[Serdoa]

While showering I actually realized what triggered the security team:

- Gazglum lynched D3, Azarius lynched D4

That's all the compulsive town-vigs gone. We already concluded that they were introduced to balance the setup and to provide more nightkills without adding SKs into the mix. So, I guess what we see now is simply BRicks failsafe if those two are removed from the game before a certain threshold (only 10 players alive for example or maybe only one village protective role remaining) is reached.

There are two possibilities I see how this new faction can work:

- the chosen players are told their new alignment when it comes into play (either at the end of D4 or end of N4)
- the chosen players knew all along that they are "sleepers" and that certain conditions must be reached before they get their kill-power (I assume they have one because of the above conclusion that they are the failsafe if too many killing roles have gone)

The second option was what I used in my role madness game were (in)sanity had to reach a threshold before one of the factions (the ghouls) would get their kill-power. That's imo the more sane variant. However, it very well might be that BRick didn't tell anyone that he is a 'sleeper' and they suddenly have now become a new faction. I don't like that idea, but I also didn't like the idea of villagers forced to kill, so me not liking it doesn't make a damn difference.

[Serdoa]

Rowain, for me that reads extremely scummy. I see no reason for a villager to post that.

I find that surprising.

Rowain seems like a poor lynch today given the night results.

My question or his sentence?

[zakalwe]

"Internal Security" doesn't sound all that ominous to me. Given that we are instructed to eradicate them, my bet would be that it's a survivor faction (of two players, most likely). Now, who has a suspiciously weak role claim, and yet reportedly cannot kill? That's right, I'm looking at you, Novice.

Ichabod, who did you target to demonstrate your ability?

Serdoas shower theory is interesting, too, but I like mine better.

In any case, first and foremost this seems like a distraction to me.

I think Ryan makes a good lynch, both by elimination and based on this evidence:

- visited every night the same target that lost a life, except N2 in which we miss a kill AND he was blocked from killing

BTW, Sunrise. I don't have to include a quote when voting with the bot. I just fell into the habit of doing that, for fun, and to provide at least a hint of reasoning.

[Imana-665-C]

Ryan

[novice]

Rowain, for me that reads extremely scummy. I see no reason for a villager to post that.

I find that surprising.

Rowain seems like a poor lynch today given the night results.

My question or his sentence?

The bolded part. (I find it surprising that you see no reason for villager Rowain to post that.)

[Ryan]

I wanted to check Zak but Serdoa's just kept tempting me to check. Serdoa is confirmed town.

[BRickAstley]

Aaaaaaand we are back it appears.

Just extend the day 24 hours from when it was supposed to end, that should give you enough time to make up for time lost. And yes, there are a few hours of posts lost, sorry, cannot help that.

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