WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[Catwalk]

I agree that Serdoa's play is puzzling, but we just uncovered a non-killer faction. I find it highly unlikely there would be another one. So chances are good he's telling the truth about being busy and forgetful.

Also, we still don't have a hygiene officer (Bob is gone).

[Jowy]

Jowy, why would you go after Serdoa immediately after we find out that Ryan was indeed town and cleared Serdoa? Your argument about it being "out of character" with no further comment smells very scummy.

I agree that Serdoa's play is puzzling

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[Catwalk]

Did you care to finish the rest of my sentence Jowy?

[Jowy]

Did you care to finish the rest of my sentence Jowy?

No thx. You say that you find Serdoa's play puzzling, yet you find it scummy when I brought up his name and said we should look into him, which seems like a fair request if there's something puzzling about his play.

[Catwalk]

I said I found it weird that you jump on a player who's just been confirmed to not be able to kill at night, and after we've just had a survivor faction revealed to us. My comment to Rowain said exactly the same, sure it was a bit odd that he missed those but considering that we know he's not a killer there's absolutely no point in looking into it now. I also provided a reason for his play being puzzling (which is as simple as forgetting). I'm starting to get suspicious of your aggressive play throughout the game, feels like you're strewing accusations everywhere deliberately trying to antagonize people.

[Jowy]

You didn't say "weird", you said "very scummy". I think there's a big difference

[Serdoa]

Well, he said that my play is puzzling but given the other information we have he would tend to believe me that I am really just forgetful. So obviously he would find it scummy that you don't come to the same conclusion, but want to look into it - which basically just means to divert the whole next day to discuss a target that can't kill while we still search for someone that can and whom we HAVE to kill to win.

And I agree with him. Your insistence to discuss me when there simply is nothing to discuss is anti-village. I can't kill, that is proven by a proven villager. So what to discuss? That I didn't play as someone else expects it from me? That I'm not switching my target despite having my doubts on it? There is nothing to find out, there is just stuff we can go in circles about. And in the end it still is the same as right now: Either you believe what I explained already or you don't. If you do not, simply vote for me. I'm happily going to post in the lurker-thread once we have a majority to lynch me, to speed up the game. But I'm not going to invest time to discuss back and forth, I'd rather keep that energy for the next werewolf-game - at least if that one is then werewolf and not.. well, whatever this is

[Catwalk]

Yes, I did find it scummy that you'd jump on him like that without further comment. Rowain made an actual point about Serdoa and dug up facts supporting it, you made an off-hand accusation about his play being scummy without bothering to qualify it. So I disagree with Rowain's points about Serdoa (at least I disagree with them being of any interest at this point), but don't him particularly scummy for making them. I find you scummy for making unfounded accusations against a player who's all but cleared as a villager, then getting all defensive when you're called out on it.

[Jowy]

Which is it, am I being aggressive or defensive? Anti-town or very scummy? :P

You can ignore reads all you want and just go with what meta tells you, but I won't.
I'm not going to stop pursuing every clue we have just because people get into my face for it.
And yes, I agree that Serdoa shouldn't be our #1 suspect tomorrow, and I've already said who I think should be, but that doesn't mean we should ignore him or anyone else.

[Catwalk]

You're both very aggressive and overdefensive, those two don't contradict each other. I can't tell if it's anti-town or scummy, those tend to look very similar. It's harmful to us either way, though. Going after every possible suspect all the time (which is everybody in the game, typically) leads to a very high noise level which makes it difficult to filter out useful information. You were doing that earlier as well.

I'm not arguing we should pursue meta theories, if you read up a few posts you'll see my thoughts on D1 votes now that we know Bob was a fake communist and a bunch of villagers were voting for both Qg and Azza.