WW 31 Game Thread PARANOIA

[spacetyrantxenu]

Catwalk, your defense today basically seems to boil down to calling me a liar regarding what I've revealed as your role name. Like someone said earlier (preview edit, found it, Jowy@2141), I preempted Merovech's role reveal and he confirmed it, so we'd both have to be scum for that to make any sense within the context of me lying about it. If I was lying, why on earth would Merovech, with an established town record of actions, cover for me? He wouldn't, it would be totally anti-town. And with the way Merovech has been protecting highly probable townies during the game, it would be exceedingly poor play on his part to do that as scum. So I'm basically convinced Merovech is town from his behavior in this game, and a solid town guy confirming that I wasn't lying about his role name should lead to the obvious conclusion that I wasn't lying about it.

I don't remember who revealed first, Jowy saying his name and me confirming it, or me saying it and Jowy confirming it, but there is agreement between the claim and the reveal. And the same thing goes for everyone else who I have scanned, until I scanned you. The fact that I was obtuse and didn't immediately realize it doesn't change the fact that you are the first person whose claimed title does not match my scan's findings (TMI explanation for that is in the spoiler below if anyone wants to know...but I explained it earlier as "posting from my tablet" if you catch my drift, and I think you do...). So the possibilities are either you're the first person I've caught lying (ding ding ding! this is the answer, btw), or everyone who has corroborated/not protested my findings before are scum and aligned with me (and that's a lot of people considering we've already had Azza and Bob confirmed as communists!), or I'm scum and choosing to lie about you for some reason when I could have previously lied about Merovech and got him lynched over it. If I was scum and wanted to lynch someone, don't you think I would get rid of the roleblocker (Merovech) instead of the guy whose role basically only helps save his own skin? Your role isn't valuable for town, Merovech's is. I'm new to this and even I can see that. The only reason I can think of why you're pushing me so hard is because you're caught in a lie and are flailing around looking for a way out. Your defense is "I'm not the liar, you are!" and is pretty unconvincing from where I sit.

I'm obviously going to try to argue that we hang spacetyrantxenu since I know for sure he's scum. Unfortunately the only way for me to share that proof is by hanging. The same goes the other way, though. If my town cred is established, it makes xenu very likely to be a liar.

Your threat of proving me a liar if you lynch and your "true" role is revealed is a threat I'm not bothered by. I know which one of us is lying. I'll call your bluff (I already did, actually, I'm voting for you), it's easy since I know which one of us is holding rags.

Also, why would I lie about my flavour? I have absolutely no reason to do so.

Oh, I can think of a pretty good reason to lie about it. Ryan scanned you and said you could kill. We've probably (possibly?) rounded up all the serial killers by now, we're down one (the only?) third faction. Who else ought to be left who can kill? Um...communists, perhaps?!

...actually, did spacetyrantxenu really claim a flavour name of "Detect Mutant Power"? That's... not like *any* of the other claimed ability names, while being entirely too literal a description to boot.

Yes, I claimed that name because it's in the role PM Brick sent me at the start of the game. Should I have made up something less suspicious, like, say...Catwalk? You're not actually going to vote for me based on that are you? I'd quote the PM to prove it but Friend Computer doesn't allow it.

I think it's a complete null-tell that Xenu claimed Detect Mutant Power (if he did indeed), for the same reason that it's ludicrous that I'd lie about my flavour. He'd have absolutely no reason to lie about it, and we've been fooled plenty by meta considerations before. With that said, Xenu is a liar and I'd really like to see him dangle

He did it again! I think the dancing banana means he doesn't even buy his own argument. Seriously, though, it would be pointless to lie about my own name since, presumably, no one else has the same role I have to use to check up on me. I could have just as well named myself "Village Rolecop" for all the proof anyone can muster to that effect (unless Brick created a scum "weaker version" of my role ). Although THAT would have been suspicious indeed. I think the whole point of that post by Catwalk is to say blah blah blah, Xenu is lying. Again.

Mattimeo, in the event that Xenu hangs, I think I'd be a good target for your power. My ability becomes more useful the closer we get to the end game, and I hope to have a decent portion of town cred if Xenu is exposed.

That's a nice try, but if I'm lynched all Friend Computer will confirm is that my role title really is Detect Mutant Power and display my flavor. Friend Computer doesn't also go back and confirm or deny my previous scan results, and I think you know that. So me dying just gets rid of the guy who caught you in a lie, it doesn't actually prove or disprove whether you lied or not.

Ryan was arguably an immensely more powerful seer than Xenu, whose ability is completely useless.

My role would have been completely useless if everyone claimed their real role titles. If I had got to scanning Bob guess what? He would have been caught, too.

If it bothers anyone that I read RB and post sometimes when I'm on the iron porcelain throne, it's OK, you don't ever have to borrow my tablet.

OOG: Little Tyrant is up from his nap so I'll be away a while, possibly for the rest of the day with the Super Bowl tonight.

[Catwalk]

Catwalk, your defense today basically seems to boil down to calling me a liar regarding what I've revealed as your role name. Like someone said earlier (preview edit, found it, Jowy@2141), I preempted Merovech's role reveal and he confirmed it, so we'd both have to be scum for that to make any sense within the context of me lying about it. If I was lying, why on earth would Merovech, with an established town record of actions, cover for me? He wouldn't, it would be totally anti-town. And with the way Merovech has been protecting highly probable townies during the game, it would be exceedingly poor play on his part to do that as scum. So I'm basically convinced Merovech is town from his behavior in this game, and a solid town guy confirming that I wasn't lying about his role name should lead to the obvious conclusion that I wasn't lying about it.

You forget the little fact that I'm not calling you a liar about your role. I'm calling you a liar about your claim, since I know you're lying about *me*. I can't see how you get any town cred for identifying the flavour of Merovech and Jowy.

The only reason I can think of why you're pushing me so hard is because you're caught in a lie and are flailing around looking for a way out. Your defense is "I'm not the liar, you are!" and is pretty unconvincing from where I sit.

This is also not true. I've suggested waiting for further evidence that incriminates you, and I've also argued that you were suspicious before today. Colour me unsurprised that you're unconvinced

Also, why would I lie about my flavour? I have absolutely no reason to do so.

Oh, I can think of a pretty good reason to lie about it. Ryan scanned you and said you could kill. We've probably (possibly?) rounded up all the serial killers by now, we're down one (the only?) third faction. Who else ought to be left who can kill? Um...communists, perhaps?!

There are no serial killers, those were all town vigilantes. Including me and Lewwyn, although we're a more untraditional sort. And how does that have anything to do with lying about my flavour? I have no reason whatsoever to make up a different flavour name, Paranoia doesn't exactly sound less threatening than Absorption.

He did it again! I think the dancing banana means he doesn't even buy his own argument. Seriously, though, it would be pointless to lie about my own name since, presumably, no one else has the same role I have to use to check up on me. I could have just as well named myself "Village Rolecop" for all the proof anyone can muster to that effect (unless Brick created a scum "weaker version" of my role ). Although THAT would have been suspicious indeed. I think the whole point of that post by Catwalk is to say blah blah blah, Xenu is lying. Again.

No, the point is that your name is not the reason we should hang you. As you would have *no* reason to lie about it... sound familiar? I was arguing against hanging you on grounds of your name.

Mattimeo, in the event that Xenu hangs, I think I'd be a good target for your power. My ability becomes more useful the closer we get to the end game, and I hope to have a decent portion of town cred if Xenu is exposed.

That's a nice try, but if I'm lynched all Friend Computer will confirm is that my role title really is Detect Mutant Power and display my flavor. Friend Computer doesn't also go back and confirm or deny my previous scan results, and I think you know that. So me dying just gets rid of the guy who caught you in a lie, it doesn't actually prove or disprove whether you lied or not.

It exposes you in the sense that there's no way you're a town seer who made up a story about me. So you're either a communist or another third party (fourth party?) player. That would be revealed if you hang, and I think that'd be more than enough to clear me.

Ryan was arguably an immensely more powerful seer than Xenu, whose ability is completely useless.

My role would have been completely useless if everyone claimed their real role titles. If I had got to scanning Bob guess what? He would have been caught, too.

Is there any particular reason why you left out my next sentence which specifically mentions Bob? It looks like you're grasping for any rock and straw you can throw at me. You would indeed have been useful to catch Bob, but your role is useless now (barring further shenanigans from BRick). So while there was good reason to give Ryan the benefit of the doubt (if he wasn't lying he'd be a big asset to us), that does not go for you.

[Ichabod]

Sorry for my absence. I'll read the thread tomorrow, since I'm way behind and can't do it all right now.

[Merovech]

Catwalk, Xenu, Catalk, Xenu... I'm going with Catwalk for now, but Xenu's been scummy all game...sigh.

[Catwalk]

Is everybody inactive? I think the communists are sitting in their thread laughing their asses off

[Qgqqqqq]

Spacetyrantxenu. I don't know why we would lynch Catwalk other Space

[Serdoa]

Well, I slept till now. But I'll hurry to work soonish and have several meetings today, so most likely I won't be able to post much, if at all. But I agree that it feels that half the players simply wait what happens. Can't blame them honestly. For all I know you both could be villagers...

That said: I didn't realize when you told us what's is up with your rolename, just had a nagging feeling I had heard your it somewhere before. Turns out it is the name of our game... Not that that tells us anything...

[Catwalk]

How can we both be villagers? If not for the fact that you're a proven non-killer, that statement would have me strongly suspecting you of being a lazy communist. I do believe your innocence though, but there is no way we're both villagers unless one of us is sabotaging the game.

We also have the option of lynching someone else and seeing if we're able to incriminate either one of us later. That way you might get a better chance of betting on the right side of the coin, if you find both of us unconvincing. But the clock is ticking.

[Serdoa]

Because there could be (another faction in the game having) a redirector? Maybe Gaspar is playing this game but doesn't have to post and just gets night-actions? Or the dead-players play on but in a thread separate to ours (I had such an idea for a role-madness game and I think Ryan or Q thought about something similar)?

Quite honestly, by now I have a hard time not to expect yet another spring-devil (aka "revelation") to jump out.

[Mattimeo]

OK, now that I'm not half asleep from waking up in the middle of the night and my brain is working again, you follow the accusatory claim unless you have a *very* good reason not to. My reason not to was shaky at best, and the subsequent discussion has reinforced that.

Mattimeo, in the event that Xenu hangs, I think I'd be a good target for your power. My ability becomes more useful the closer we get to the end game, and I hope to have a decent portion of town cred if Xenu is exposed.

That's a nice try, but if I'm lynched all Friend Computer will confirm is that my role title really is Detect Mutant Power and display my flavor. Friend Computer doesn't also go back and confirm or deny my previous scan results, and I think you know that. So me dying just gets rid of the guy who caught you in a lie, it doesn't actually prove or disprove whether you lied or not.

It's not that; it's a play towards someone established to like meta-reasons to do things; "keep me alive because you *know* my claimed role is useful, especially in the late game which we're fast approaching". Problem is, scum would be silly to target a bomb-variant (even if confirmed town) when there are two other confirmed town to hit (and they just got rid of the doctor, too). That'd take us to 6; MyLo if there are 2 scum left. So, even if the claim is true, it's *not useful* like he's making it out to be.

Also, specifically appealing to me to keep you alive so I can use my ability on you is *really* not the way to gain my support. Especially with a reactive ability. That is, as mentioned before, actually not that useful in our current situation.

Catwalk

Agreed that people seem to like sitting back and seeing how thing develop. To be honest, I'd fain do that myself, but if I don't post every time I get a chance I'll go through an entire phase with one or two...