RBP16 IT and Confession Thread

[SevenSpirits]

I'm not undestanding how the double move even happened from looking at civstats, but what's wrong with reloading to a save from this turn (e.g. bantams's login)? Then retire bantams to AI before gavagai plays? Gavagai is playing after bantams right? How is he going to get a double move if we're switching bantams to AI who plays immediately?

(Btw, I'm finding the idea of a parkin-AI waiting until the timer runs out to play to be hilarious. Yeah, the AI moves immediately when it finds it's its turn.)

[SevenSpirits]

And just a note about the game going forward. If you are in a war, please, don't login before your opponent if you are not first in the turn order, nor when he's playing his turn. This helps with reloads, if they end up being needed.

I don't understand. Maybe it's just because I don't know what actually happened with bantams/gavagai and lack context, but I don't see what you mean, and I would like to understand the rule before trying to follow it. Could you maybe give a made-up example if the current situation is too private?

Thanks for your work with the game, Ichabod.

[Brian Shanahan]

I've already been replaced by an AI. Haven't you?

Shush Skynet, you're not supposed to reveal yourself until after you drop the bombs.

[Ichabod]

I'm not undestanding how the double move even happened from looking at civstats, but what's wrong with reloading to a save from this turn (e.g. bantams's login)? Then retire bantams to AI before gavagai plays? Gavagai is playing after bantams right? How is he going to get a double move if we're switching bantams to AI who plays immediately?

(Btw, I'm finding the idea of a parkin-AI waiting until the timer runs out to play to be hilarious. Yeah, the AI moves immediately when it finds it's its turn.)

I just wanted to make sure about how this works, since I had no clue. So, the AI moves whenever it can, not on a specific moment at the start or end of the turn. So, it makes things pretty easy to solve. We reload to bantams' login and we retire him to AI.

It was not a double move per se, but it was an illegal move and we have to reload it, if possible.

So, my decision is to reload to bantam's login, retire him to AI and than the game can proceed normally. Do we need to login in bantam's civ to retire him to Ai or can Sunrise do it by himself?

[Gavagai]

I'm pretty sure that ai will make all the moves it considers necessary if you reload to bantams' login and then retire. At least, that has happened in pb 12 when I got retired to ai due to a bug. I was in the middle of the turn and had a worker unmoved which ai used. I think, ai just plays ASAP and then waits for others to end turn.

Edit. Massive cross post. Yes, Sunrise can kick a player to air without anyone logging in.

2 Seven. Here is what happened. We were both were online, Bantams had the first half. He made some moves, pressed enter. I started playing, moved a unit to what I considered a safe location. After that I saw Bantams moving his units in a position from which he could attack the unit I have moved at the start of next turn.

[Ichabod]

And just a note about the game going forward. If you are in a war, please, don't login before your opponent if you are not first in the turn order, nor when he's playing his turn. This helps with reloads, if they end up being needed.

I don't understand. Maybe it's just because I don't know what actually happened with bantams/gavagai and lack context, but I don't see what you mean, and I would like to understand the rule before trying to follow it. Could you maybe give a made-up example if the current situation is too private?

Thanks for your work with the game, Ichabod.

I don't think it's a spoiler to just report what happened (everyone knows from previous posts that Gavagai and Bantams are at war and all the otehr info is not spoilery, I think). And since more than one person expressed doubts about it, I think its best to explain it.

What happened is the following. Gavagai is second on turn order in his war against bantams. Gavagai logged in before bantams to look at his civ, not planning to move it. While Gavagai was logged in, bantams also logged in an proceeded to play his turn, while Gavagai watched. After bantams finished his turn, Gavagai started playing his. Bantams also stayed logged in to look at Gavagai's movements. So, after Gavagai did a certain move, Bantams actually moved some of his units in reaction to gavagai moves, which is illegal, since he had already finished his turn. Due to that, gavagai can't react to those moves before the AI plays its next turn, essentially creating a double move.

What I ask is that people refrain from doing these logins to look at what others are doing while in war and logins when it's not your half of the turn split. I ask this because it can mess up with reloads. In this particular case, if Bantams had logged in and out, than Gavagai logged in and out, than bantams logs in again to move his units, we could just reload to Bantams second log in, which would unmake the illegal moves, while keeping bantams' legitimate moves. The solution I proposed (reloading to bantams login) actually unmakes all of bantams moves, including the legitimate ones, and I'm only proposing it because of this confusion in the login order (I'd prefer to keep Bantams' legitimate moves and only reload his illicit ones).

I won't make a strict rule about when is licit to log in or not, since no such thing was agreed to beforehand and it really is not that big of a deal (as you can see, the problem here is the illegal moves, not the login order). But I think it'd be helpful and I don't think any player would be harmed by not being able to login when its not his half of the turn.

So, to clarify things, I ask that people just play on their half of the split, without logging in when its your opponents half. But, since there won't be any penalties to not following this request, it's not a rule. I just think it'd be better for the game environment and it helps with future reload requests, while not hindering anyone.

I hope I made myself clear now.

[bantams]

It wasn't a double move I always press enter when entering just so I don't forget when I leave after pressing enter I ALWAYS do my moves always have done and still do it in MP games in da lobby.

double move would mean I logged in twice and moved my units twice which Obviously wasn't the case.

ps the civ pw was ASS fitting really :P

[Ichabod]

It wasn't a double move I always press enter when entering just so I don't forget when I leave after pressing enter I ALWAYS do my moves always have done and still do it in MP games in da lobby.

double move would mean I logged in twice and moved my units twice which Obviously wasn't the case.

ps the civ pw was ASS fitting really :P

Bantams, are you willing to keep going with the game? I see where a misunderstanding could have happened, since you and Gavagai were both logged in at the same time.

As you can see, the moves you made after Gavagai moved are considered illegal under our rules. So, we could reload to your login, unmaking all your moves, and you could play your turn again, from the start. After that, Gavagai would play his turn.

Are you willing to keep on playing or you are certain about retiring to AI?

[Gavagai]

It wasn't a double move I always press enter when entering

Well, that clearly wasn't the case. You moved your units around a lot before you pressed enter.

[Ichabod]

So, I PM'ed bantams to see if he would agree on keeping on with the game. I think that'd be the best solution for this whole issue. I'll wait a bit to see if he answers me. If he does not or if he says he doesn't want to keep going with the game, the previous "reload + convert to AI" ruling will stand.