RB Diplomacy Game #4

[Mardoc]

Can we add another 24 hours to this first turn back? I'm not sure that everyone knows we're back, and we've had a lot of server issues to go with the administrative delay.

That's reasonable. Once we're back into rhythm I'd hope we can keep the higher pace, though.

Phase extended, orders due 8 pm EST Saturday March 15 (midnight GMT Sunday March 16th). I'd appreciate it if everyone could post here or shoot me a quick message saying you're aware of the game, that way I know who to remind.

And Mardoc: I'd sent Brick my build by gchat, so that's why you didn't have it.

Figured it was something like that. Just include me in the next set of orders and we'll be good. Brick may be able to resume control at some point, but I think we're going to have to wait and see.
For reminder, my gmail is RBMardoc.

[Mardoc]

Missing one set of orders. Please be patient while I try to track down the miscreant.

Edit: Bedtime for Mardoc. Hopefully I can resolve in the morning.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Well that A TRI-->VEN was a misorder and I can prove it as I asked someone to support me into VIE and that makes no sense with my orders. I confused VIE and VEN; mainly because I would misspell Venice with "vience" if I did not have spellcheck. It also makes no sense to expose TRI to attack without a gain.

I see three options:

1. My misordered army holds.
2. I get to go to VIE.
3. I have to suck it up and go to VEN.

I'm really not passionate but I like #1 the best as the army was technically misordered. If we go with #3 I would insist that Mardoc/Brick not tolerate misorders aside from typos that don't cause ambiguity.

[Mardoc]

Even though I can believe it was a misorder this time, I don't want to set the precedent of allowing *any* changes after resolution, unless it was my mistake. Before I resolve, I do try to double check and confirm as I have time, and that seems reasonable to me because you don't know what anyone else has ordered. But in the end it's your responsibility to get right, mine just to execute what I'm told impartially.

The abbreviations are on every gamestate picture, and also you can write your orders with the full names if you prefer.

[MJW (ya that one)]

Even though I can believe it was a misorder this time, I don't want to set the precedent of allowing *any* changes after resolution, unless it was my mistake. Before I resolve, I do try to double check and confirm as I have time, and that seems reasonable to me because you don't know what anyone else has ordered. But in the end it's your responsibility to get right, mine just to execute what I'm told impartially.

The abbreviations are on every gamestate picture, and also you can write your orders with the full names if you prefer.

It doesn't apply here as ordering A TRI-->VEN never would make any sense but if you say so...

Okay, so I would guess the system goes like this:
1. If you don't catch something is wrong before deadline that player is SOL.
2. If you do catch something is probably wrong you will inform that player and that player has until deadline to fix the problem.

NMR's are in a different category because they are not caused by mistakes--so doing #2 would not give someone who NMR an unfair advantage...

[Mardoc]

It doesn't apply here as ordering A TRI-->VEN never would make any sense but if you say so...

The tricky part is the alternate order.

1. If you don't catch something is wrong before deadline that player is SOL.
2. If you do catch something is probably wrong you will inform that player and that player has until deadline to fix the problem.

That's right.

[MJW (ya that one)]

It doesn't apply here as ordering A TRI-->VEN never would make any sense but if you say so...

The tricky part is the alternate order.

Would'nt have to be A TRI-->VIE ? I respect your ruling but I don't know what you are trying to say here..

[Rowain]

On general the gamemaster should never change a order from a player. There have been occurrences where "misspelled" Orders have been done on purpose. And misspelling has been claimed to cover a stab. (in the history of Diplo-games not necessarily here).
In short neither Mardoc nor TT have a chance to know if we have an agreement to leave VIE free or not.

[Mattimeo]

Have to agree with Rowain in this instance; however it was ordered, Tri -> Ven is a valid move and was processed as such. If a unit is told to do something that it cannot, or is misspelt in a way that does not result in an valid move, then it should default to holding from the invalid order, but valid moves are valid moves, even if they were not intended.

Though I would push for GM acknowledgement of receipt of orders, where time allows. Not anything like "this seems weird, are you sure?", just "this is what I have you doing".

[Mardoc]

Though I would push for GM acknowledgement of receipt of orders, where time allows. Not anything like "this seems weird, are you sure?", just "this is what I have you doing".

I've done that in the last game I GM'd - jDip has an option to show only orders from a selected player, so I can send a picture of just your orders to you. I'll start doing that from here out, asssuming I have time.