WW33 - Walking Dead [GAME THREAD]

[Jabbz]

Given that, as you guys said, were in pretty bad shape here, I think logic is more likely to result in a win than flippancy .

[zakalwe]

Jabbz, a random bandwagon may still very well hit an innocent, but if we don't try to bandwagon with people we think are innocent, we leave the scum with way too much voting power, so they can easily direct the lynch wherever they want to.

In the worst case, we have 5 innocents and 4 scum. So everybody gets to pick 4 people they think are innocent, and the rest are scum. As my innocents, I pick you, Rowain, Q, and Mattimeo. Probably not right about all of those, but it's my best guess at the moment. So then it seems like a very good idea to vote with Rowain and Q, even if I might have picked a different target on my own.

It also makes sense to push Azarius hard right out of the gate, since if he has a role to claim, I'd prefer to hear it ASAP rather than right before the deadline. If we flush out all claims today, that is still worth it IMO, if it means we are able to make an accurate lynch.

I haven't read Azarius' replies yet, I will do that now.

[zakalwe]

That's just the thing though. Rowain's "attack" on you was a first post of the game nudge to try to get a new player talking. Even if it was beyond the early joke and random vote stage, short of doing something colossally dumb, a new player is not going to get lynched on day one. Rowain is not stupid, so I have a very hard time buying that he honestly believed I was worried enough from that post to feel a need to defend you because of it.

Could it not be that he sees your instinctive protective behavior as a potential problem down the line?

I agree though, that your knee-jerk defense (or counterattack) of Jabbz shouldn't be seen as a scum tell. From what I gather, it's the way you stuck to that Rowain vote that's being held against you.

Catwalk

[Rowain]

There is the part where I wasn't voting you all day long. Q actually addressed my concerns, like a rational townie trying to win this game (or at least a scum pretending to be one) and thus my vote went elsewhere.

Your vote didn't went elsewhere it went right back to me. Without any argument then the still "Are you going to explain the theory"-reason. And you sticked to it for the whole rest of the day.

As opposed to, you know, displaying implacable determination not to engage in an actual dialogue by ignoring points that don't suit him, using provable falsehoods in an argument (either intentionally through malice or unintentionally through Goreripper's favorite vice), and refusing to answer questions.

You describe your actions quite correctly. The fact that you voted for me to get an explanation of my zak-novice theory but still refuse to say why you need such an explanation tells me that you are trying to distract the village from actual scumhunting.

[Rowain]

On a different note. If one of the 3 were killed by a 1-shot-vig I would ask him to step up.

As a matter of fact I think an allout roleclaim might be in order.

[Jabbz]

If that's the group consensus, I'm down, but I'd rather have it be everyone agreeing, rather than one guy fishing for a good second night target.

[Jabbz]

Actually, after thinking for a few mins I think I'm going to say Rowain unless some others also think this is a good idea, because ATM it sounds like a fishing expedition.

[Mattimeo]

On a different note. If one of the 3 were killed by a 1-shot-vig I would ask him to step up.

Agreed. Would give us an almost confirmed (assuming no counter-claim) effective vanilla town, as well as some more information on the roll results.

As a matter of fact I think an allout roleclaim might be in order.

Not sure I'd be willing to go that far. Would result in certain death for the full doctor (which we know we have) tonight.
...unless there's an SK and they and the scum WIFOM it. That would be hilarious

Jabbz - Rowain calling for claims isn't that unprecedented, regardless of faction, from what I recall. Not sure it's a tell either way.

[Jabbz]

On a different note. If one of the 3 were killed by a 1-shot-vig I would ask him to step up.

As a matter of fact I think an allout roleclaim might be in order.

On a different note. If one of the 3 were killed by a 1-shot-vig I would ask him to step up.

Agreed. Would give us an almost confirmed (assuming no counter-claim) effective vanilla town, as well as some more information on the roll results.

As a matter of fact I think an allout roleclaim might be in order.

Not sure I'd be willing to go that far. Would result in certain death for the full doctor (which we know we have) tonight.
...unless there's an SK and they and the scum WIFOM it. That would be hilarious

Jabbz - Rowain calling for claims isn't that unprecedented, regardless of faction, from what I recall. Not sure it's a tell either way.

WIFOM?

[zakalwe]

I think people should claim away if they are under pressure, but I'm not sure that there's much point to claiming otherwise. I don't think there's much wiggle room for fake claims from scum here, anyway.

The biggest uncertainty about the setup is whether or not we have 3 Vs. We would need the multi-shot vig to claim to clear that up. But I think that can wait, unless he's in danger of being lynched. The doctor should definitely not claim before he has to.