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...I just explained that. But sure.
I am a unlimited shot vigilante. Night one I killed Sunrise (he was a top suspect for me, the other being Goreripper. However, more people had written that they suspected him/would vote for him the next day so I felt it would be best to target someone more widely suspected as my kill would act more as a second lynch then normal and help move the conversation along. I was also influenced by the fact that Gore was posting far more content), and Night two I killed Goreripper, although it is possible I doubled up (Goreripper was my second strongest candidate with an element of him being a strong lynch candidate for the coming day. I nearly didn't pull the trigger as I was worried about pushing us over the brink, but ended up doing so because I knew otherwise I would be voting him today anyway).
Now that that's out of the way, obviously V1 is not a possibility.
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(June 1st, 2014, 16:45)Catwalk Wrote: I disagree strongly with a mass claim, and I will explain why later if it's not obvious to you. The wolves and the potential (highly likely) serial killer have a strong interest in a mass claim. Do all agree that one of Qg and zakalwe should claim first?
I missed this, so too late. However, I don't see your reasoning at all - what is the point in forcing people to claim if we don't all do so? I find this quite suspect.
Hasoosh, as I said earlier I would prefer if you posted bother the original and eventual version of the post.
Zak I voted Hasoosh as a preliminary measure whilst I concentrated on figuring out the meta, to make sure that the discussion started early. I voted him because he is the player who I remember the least about/has given the least content so I wanted to hear more.
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(June 1st, 2014, 16:14)Hashoosh Wrote: Edit: I didnt vote gore then, because it wasn't going to get traction. I then voted catwalk because he stank to high heaven at the time. You'll see I ultimately landed on gore and tried to get him lynched to save Azarius.
You added this part, right? How to handle it is Jowy's call, but I'm guessing just don't do it again.
I could easily have missed that addendum for a long time, until I went back to read again.
My accusations against you should not be read as a reaction to the fact that you were voting for me. You're just a logical suspect from my point of view.
If you're not a bandit, then either Catwalk is, and Goreripper/Catwalk had a distancing scheme going on for some time, or Mattimeo is, with a similar distancing scheme, or else it's Jabbz. Based on where his vote ended up yesterday, Jabbz makes sense, but I think the way he worked himself up last night speaks in his favor. Bottom line, though, I have a hard time seeing any constellations here where Q is not scum.
Ok, that's a crosspost. Guess I'll need to reevaluate. 
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zakalwe, are you ready to claim now?
Qg, it's of extreme importance that the scum factions do not know what abilities the town has left and who has them. If we hang a bandit tonight and we have a 3/1/1 scenario left, chances are we will be left with a mexican standoff. The more information the scum factions have about town abilities, the better their chances of survival. If we hang a serial killer tonight, we lose unless we either prevent a bandit kill or score one on them. Given that you've just claimed multi-vig, it would be easy for them to roleblock you.
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(June 1st, 2014, 16:14)Hashoosh Wrote: I'm all for a claim. I think we should be examinig very closely those who pushed two townies into vitriolic debate, while myself, matt and catwalk are a little better off. Of course, both catwalk and myself could have bet on gore under the assumption that enough votes wouldn't shift in time to save Azarius. There's also the fact that we voted against each other, then dropped it. I'm not sure if that's indicative of two scum or what, don't have enough experience.
Right now I'm keeping on with Zak, unless he can do more than post reactionary arguments to absolve himself.
modified Wrote:I'm all for a claim. I think we should be examinig very closely those who pushed two townies into vitriolic debate, while myself, matt and catwalk are a little better off. Of course, both catwalk and myself could have bet on gore under the assumption that enough votes wouldn't shift in time to save Azarius. There's also the fact that we voted against each other, then dropped it. I'm not sure if that's indicative of two scum or what, don't have enough experience.
Right now I'm keeping on with Zak, unless he can do more than post reactionary arguments to absolve himself.
Edit: I didnt vote gore then, because it wasn't going to get traction. I then voted catwalk because he stank to high heaven at the time. You'll see I ultimately landed on gore and tried to get him lynched to save Azarius.
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(June 1st, 2014, 17:01)Catwalk Wrote: zakalwe, are you ready to claim now?
Qg, it's of extreme importance that the scum factions do not know what abilities the town has left and who has them. If we hang a bandit tonight and we have a 3/1/1 scenario left, chances are we will be left with a mexican standoff. The more information the scum factions have about town abilities, the better their chances of survival. If we hang a serial killer tonight, we lose unless we either prevent a bandit kill or score one on them. Given that you've just claimed multi-vig, it would be easy for them to roleblock you.
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To expound on that...WTF Catwalk? Were you doing too well that you wanted to make this easier on us?
That is just...hilariously scummy. You think that two players should claim but not the rest? What would be the point of that? You can't even tell if Zak/I are lying unless enough people claim to determine the setup. A mass claim means just that - that everyone claims. This lets us figure out who we definitely shouldn't lynch - at which point it should be much easier to determine the scum hiding out. For us to stop after me/zak means that scum will have outed power roles which they know if correct or not but won't be forced to lie/risk being caught out. There are like several levels on which that is hilariously, ludicriously scummy. Indeed, now that one power role has been outed the scum have their target - there's even less risk for anyone else who comes out!
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It's extremely likely that either you or zakalwe is scum, and based on your claims I think we will have plenty to go on to find out who it is. It's also possible you both are, although it would be a very bold play to have all 3 scum on the same target yesterday. The town may very well lynch a scum today and still lose because of night actions, if there's a SK in play. I stand by my suggestion, and I think your attempt at character assassination is highly disruptive.
"Indeed, now that one power role has been outed the scum have their target - there's even less risk for anyone else who comes out!"
You forget that there is also a mafia roleblocker in play. There's plenty risk by outing important power roles.
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First of all, I 'm kind of curious why MY ability couldn't be the one that's crucial to avert a deadly Mexican stand-off?
Secondly,
"Mafia Roleblocker cannot kill AND block in the same night."
If we lynch another bandit, the last one should be pretty helpless, even if he is a roleblocker. With at least one vig and potentially a SK who ALSO has an interest in killing the bandit, I really don't see how the Mexican standoff is an issue. Our priority today should be to lynch a bandit, and the mass claim is just a way to ensure that we can lynch correctly.
Therefore everybody should claim... continuing with you. 
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I know now that Qg is a serial killer, based on the setup configuration and my own role. Given my role, we cannot have a multi-vig in the setup due to the number of vanilla townies dead. I'm not presenting full evidence of this yet, but you know I'm right Qg.
I find it highly likely that zakalwe is one of the remaining two bandits, both because of his derailing today and yesterday and his vote on Azarius. Your ability may well be crucial zakalwe, but you're scum. I'm not willing to reveal my role today, as it will reduce the town's chances at night no matter what you two argue.
Mattimeo, Hashoosh and Jabbz, I'm asking you to take this on faith. One of you is a depleted 1-shot vig, another is a bandit and the last one of you is the same role as me with 1 shot. Neither of you is a vanilla townie. I have a multi-shot role, which is proof that another 1-shot version exists. I don't know if we can win if a bandit hangs tonight, but we will lose if the serial killer hangs unless we luck into preventing a kill. We will need luck if we're up against a bandit and a serial killer, but as long as they don't know which two abilities are left we stand a chance. zakalwe must hang today, no matter how much he squeals and squirms. Qg is certain to be serial killer, and I'm having a hard time imagining that 4 townies hang townie Azarius while godfather Goreripper comes perilously close to hanging. zakalwe, in the extremely unlikely event that did indeed happen I need your claim.
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