WW33 - Walking Dead [GAME THREAD]

[Hashoosh]

Well something's wrong with your reasoning there catwalk, im a vanilla survivor

[zakalwe]

Catwalk, why would 2/3 bandits jump on the Azarius wagon so quickly on day 2?

Why would Goreripper first accuse me on day 1 but then flip around over the span of one post and call me 100% town? If we're both bandits, he would not have to panic and try to disentangle himself from that confrontation. We could just gradually cease to suspect each other.

Basing today's strategy on the premise that "one of these two must be scum" is just a very bad suggestion, bordering very distinctly on malicously bad, and it's not character assassination to point that out. Considering how few candidates are left as potential bandits, this really smells of trying to "cash in" on your distancing efforts, nailing the suckers who voted incorrectly.

That's a crosspost with your most recent.

[Catwalk]

Unless I completely miscalculated the setup, that makes you the remaining bandit. Let me try again, though.

[zakalwe]

Huh, maybe we don't need a mass claim, after all... we can just let Catwalk do it for us.

I need to sleep. See you all in the morning.

[Catwalk]

I do not believe that is possible Hashoosh. I know this much about the setup:

2x D
2x mystery role (me multi, someone else 1-shot)
1x vig


4 vanilla townies have died. In order for there to be 5 vanilla in the game, we must have the TT setup with the above 5 power roles. That would mean no serial killer and only a single vigilante (my role is not vigilante). That does not allow for 3 kills on day 1. Please prove me wrong if I'm making a mistake here, based on the assumption that my claim is true. If necessary, I'm willing to prove my role by pointing out which role my "colleague" has.

I sincerely hope that will not be necessary, and I apologize for this being confusing. I've been calculating and typing frantically while also assembling a table for the WCC and sneaking out of bed to finish these posts before sleeping. I still wish to know what your role is zakalwe, but I promise to triple check my calculations tomorrow if you'd prefer waiting for that (or feel like helping me check them). I still urge everybody else to not claim. We do not want scum to know who's a depleted vigilante and who may still have a power.

[Hashoosh]

Once I'm at home I'll go about debunking you catwalk. I'm 100% you're wrong, however.

[Catwalk]

Then please check my math, starting with the assumption that I have a multi-shot role which is not a vigilante. I do not see any way for you to be a vanilla townie, and if I've made a mistake I've been unable to find it so far. I really hope Qg is a multi-vig and we have no SK, as that means town wins. But I don't see how that's possible either.

[Hashoosh]

Well we've got Ryan, Novice, Brick and Rowain as vanilla, and then myself as well. That's 5 townies. Azarius as D + Sunrise as 1sD, and Gore as a GF

That rules out TTT, TTTT, M, MMM, D, DDD, DDDDD. I don't see anything else which can be ruled out with absolute certainty.

[Jabbz]

Sorry it’s taken me so long to respond, was spending a day with the wife since we didn’t have either kid at the house for a change (yay 2 months no daughter during the summer!.) First, my reactions to the various posts.
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Well, that IS interesting...

Godfather? What's that?

More to the point, I think this has been a ploy to frame jabbz, not sure, but I'm going yo go out and vote Zakalwe

How would this frame Jabbz? If anything, it looks like he had no idea that Rowain was about to bite it.

I think Q and Hashoosh are the most likely scum out there. As far as I'm concerned, they should both claim before me.

If you consider how Goreripper related to me, it should be quite clear that I am not a bandit. Catwalk and Mattimeo also look unlikely to be bandits. Jabbz could be a bandit, but not if his paranoid rage act last night was genuine.

I'm going to dig up some quotes by Goreripper. Rereading his posts would be a very good idea, in general.

I’d prefer to refer to it as righteous anger, but I guess the two aren’t necessarily too far apart.
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Emphasis mine.

I'm all for a claim. I think we should be examinig very closely those who pushed two townies into vitriolic debate, while myself, matt and catwalk are a little better off. Of course, both catwalk and myself could have bet on gore under the assumption that enough votes wouldn't shift in time to save Azarius. There's also the fact that we voted against each other, then dropped it. I'm not sure if that's indicative of two scum or what, don't have enough experience.

Right now I'm keeping on with Zak, unless he can do more than post reactionary arguments to absolve himself.

Edit: I didnt vote gore then, because it wasn't going to get traction. I then voted catwalk because he stank to high heaven at the time. You'll see I ultimately landed on gore and tried to get him lynched to save Azarius.

So you weren’t concerned with whether he was guilty, but instead with whether or not you could get him lynched? You didn’t have to stay voting on him to keep pointing out his scummy nature, if that is what you saw.
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Also, I attacked Goreripper early on day 1, and he responded by hurriedly moving his vote to Mattimeo and buddying up to me, calling me 100% town or something like that.

So you voted against him on day 1, when there really wasn’t that much information, and then moved on. How exactly does that clear you? Without going back to d1 to find that relevant posts, I’m fairly certain you didn’t have enough information to make an educated guess on his status on day 1, no one had enough information on anyone, which is why we ended up lynching the guy who wasn’t there, from lack of other options….
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Why is the Az lynch bad? I would lynch him again, as he was making bad arguments and was the scummier of that confrontation. So he is only bad because he was against Gore in the end. And how would that incriminate me, or Zak for that matter (cant remember his vote sequence exactly) when we had been on Az from the start of the day, when the Gore push happened very late. (I would've voted Az again, don't get me wrong, but I was hardly voting to save comm.) Not only that but I had been pushing Gore the previous day, voting when he was a serious candidate and leaving it there when I knew I wouldn't be back in time for the lynch.
I am happy to claim but I don't think I should lead.

I’m going to assume you don’t actually mean you are glad you voted out an innocent, and assume you mean that you are ok with the fact that you would have voted in those specific circumstances again, with that specific information. That out of the way, what do you mean by “hardly voting to save comm.”?
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Emphasis mine

I know now that Qg is a serial killer, based on the setup configuration and my own role. Given my role, we cannot have a multi-vig in the setup due to the number of vanilla townies dead. I'm not presenting full evidence of this yet, but you know I'm right Qg.

I find it highly likely that zakalwe is one of the remaining two bandits, both because of his derailing today and yesterday and his vote on Azarius. Your ability may well be crucial zakalwe, but you're scum. I'm not willing to reveal my role today, as it will reduce the town's chances at night no matter what you two argue.

Mattimeo, Hashoosh and Jabbz, I'm asking you to take this on faith. One of you is a depleted 1-shot vig, another is a bandit and the last one of you is the same role as me with 1 shot. Neither of you is a vanilla townie. I have a multi-shot role, which is proof that another 1-shot version exists. I don't know if we can win if a bandit hangs tonight, but we will lose if the serial killer hangs unless we luck into preventing a kill . We will need luck if we're up against a bandit and a serial killer, but as long as they don't know which two abilities are left we stand a chance. zakalwe must hang today, no matter how much he squeals and squirms. Qg is certain to be serial killer, and I'm having a hard time imagining that 4 townies hang townie Azarius while godfather Goreripper comes perilously close to hanging. zakalwe, in the extremely unlikely event that did indeed happen I need your claim.

So you are trying to claim that you are either a Cop or a Role Blocker. Given the last statement, I’m inclined to think it’s a role blocker, especially as you haven’t made any claims of being a cop/checking anyone so far. So why don’t you tell us who you blocked so far, share the information. You are calling for a claim, and asking me, Matt, and Hashoosh, to trust you. Show us some trust first.

[Hashoosh]

No role has a guarentee of having a single shot companion, if I'm understanding the wiki page correctly.