WW33 - Walking Dead [GAME THREAD]

[Mattimeo]

Note that DDVVVTT is indistinguishable from DDVVVxx, and thus a single cop is absolutely impossible to prove either way, in the absence of a serial killer.
However, the presence of a serial killer would tend strongly towards Catwalk being a legitimate seer.

ie. if there's an SK, they know Catwalk is probably being truthful in his claim. If there's no SK, there is a possibility of it not being possible to prove Catwalk's claim either true or false.

...so. Any SK willing to step forward and vouch for the seer claim? We can promise you amnesty today!

Apologies, missed where you stated scans. unvote.
And no, you're completely wrong with your role determination. 1-shot seer in isolation requires there to be ONLY 1C. 2C means the only seer role is a full seer. For there to be both a full cop and a 1-shot cop, there must be 3C. Or 5C (with bonus full cop!).
TTTTTTx is 3 roles -> Goon, Godfather and one town role/Serial Killer.
eg. DDCVBBT is 10 roles -> doctor, one-shot doctor, 1-shot cop, 1-shot vig, blocker, 1-shot blocker, goon, scum blocker, godfather, serial killer.

All rolls are made before any role is assigned. All roles are then determined how you had scum being determined.

[Catwalk]

Oh bloody hell. I understood the setup rules, but I misread the cop list completely So I have no proof of being a cop. It matches Hashoosh being a vanilla villager, though. I understand your explanation, and I now know what you mean about no 1:1 conversion. My bad.

Going to try one more time. Assuming Hashoosh is honest:
* Setup is DDCVV + 3 bandits + 5 vanilla
This is the only setup with 5 vanilla townies, both T and 0T give 4 vanilla townies. 4 have died already and we have a godfather, so Hashoosh can only be vanilla if it's TT. Most importantly, we have no serial killer. The following roles are left: VVCTBB.

If Hashoosh is lying, anything is possible. He can be a SK or a bandit, and we can have anywhere from TT, T to 0T. I'm strongly inclined to believe his claim, and I think he has town cred from yesterday, but I think we need to investigate this possibility a little more before doing a full claim (I do agree that's the right play now, given how badly I misunderstood the setup).

[Catwalk]

Noone has counter-claimed Qg yet, lending strength to his claim. If someone else is a multi-shot vig, I urge that player to step forward asap. I also think it's a good idea for the 1-shot vig to step forward. I'm changing my mind on this for two reasons: 1) I misunderstood the setup and thought I could prove my role through the existence of a 1-shot cop 2) Based on that assumption, I was certain there was a SK which would lead to a mexican standoff. 1 being wrong and 2 most likely being wrong means that we have a more conventional situation with 4 town and 2 scum. It is also clear now which roles are in the game, and no active roles are left to be discovered.

I'm off for work. The clock is ticking fast, we need frantic activity today in order to examine claims and accusations.

[Catwalk]

Another thought: It's a good idea to keep a vote on someone at all times. By unvoting, you lose influence for purposes of tie breaks. zakalwe is still my preferred target barring further evidence, although that could easily change based on what we see. I'm keeping the vote there in case it's a 3-3 later on with one villager siding with scum.

[Mattimeo]

If the setup is DDCCVV[V|T], as fits current claims, then there is 13-(2+1+1+1+3)=13-8=5 vanilla town, yes.
And we've 4 dead vanilla.
...and I'm a Vanilla Survivor.

Hashoosh.

[Mattimeo]

Thank you for pointing out that claim, btw, Catwalk. I'd completely missed it slipping in there.

[Mattimeo]

Mattimeo - Vanilla Survivor
Catwalk - Survivor Cop
Qgqqqqq - Survivor Vigilante
Hashoosh - Bandit? something

I really hope either jabbz or zakalwe is a spent 1-shot vig. 'Cause the alternative is an SK. Kicker is, I *really* can't see zak shooting first night if he's only got one shot.

[Qgqqqqq]

Okay so that is a bit of a clusterfuck of misunderstandings and communication issues. I will reread it shortly, but for now, I think we all agree that a mass claim is nessecary.
Therefore the following claims have been made:

• Qgqqqqq - Multi-shot Vigilante, killed D1 Sunrise, D2 Goreripper
  
• Catwalk - Multi-shot Cop, scanned D1 BRick, D2 Rowain
  
• Hasoosh - Vanilla
  
• Mattimeo - Vanilla

The following have yet to claim:

• Jabbz
  
• Zakalwe

Please do so in all expedient haste. There is no excuse not to do so, for now I will be voting in alphabetical order the two of you until you state the claims, and I advise everyone to join me.
Therefore: Jabbz
However! One of the big dangers here is that we let the necessity of figuring the meta impede in our scum-hunting. Therefore, I find Catwalks claim the most suspicious, as it is very convenient to have both die, but the execution of it was quite awkward in a way that points slightly towards town. The timing of Hasoosh's claim and the manner in which it was done I find suspicious, and I could see it being done in a very let's-just-slip-this-in-so-no-one-notices way, with elements of trying to avoid all the scum claiming last (or just generally him claiming last) and not understanding that the setup allows one to determine the number of vanilla's. Matts claim OTOH I found quite townish, as with his command of the meta he could have probably worked out the least damaging claim to make and the way it was done forces the two into a tunneling match, where only one can be true (unless Catwalk is false, now that I think about it...).
Anyway, back to Jabbz

[Jabbz]

Since everyone else is owning up, I am a 1-shot vig.

Protip: Claiming to have an unimportant role is frowned upon as it makes it easier for scum to figure out who has the important roles.

And that after you hinted to be survivor yourself

Do as I say, don't do as I do.

Here is where I started getting suspicious. It was like he was trying to leverage my newness into getting me to admit to a more serious role, trying to get information that I shouldn't be giving at that point.

Azarius: Rowain attacks Jabbz...

Well no innocent child
Lets start with jabbz - everyone knows strangers are up to no good.

...and you revenge vote for him. Except you're not voting due to the Jabbz vote but due to the novice-zak theory. Which is sort of analogous.

This started faster than I expected. Rowain, care to elaborate on that theory?

So Rowain's pair comment makes sense, I'd say, at least as an observation about the interconnectedness of existence.

Then I saw him defending a guy that, at the very least, I had my suspicions about.

I didn't really have anything overly concrete on him, other than a very bad feel. I didn't put a vote on him, because I was afraid doing so would get me targeted, and with as many votes as there were on Ryan, I couldn't see it going any other way, even if I tried to get him. It turned out to be an obviously bad choice. TBH embarrassment as much as anything else has kept me from copping to it, as people didn't seem to be very ok with the idea of a 1sV taking the shot first night :/

[Jabbz]

If the setup is DDCCVV[V|T], as fits current claims, then there is 13-(2+1+1+1+3)=13-8=5 vanilla town, yes.
And we've 4 dead vanilla.
...and I'm a Vanilla Survivor.

Hashoosh.

So without a doubt, either Hashoosh or Mattimeo is guilty at least, if your guys math/meta analysis is correct. That's the way I read it. Is that correct? Looks like its time to go through 17 pages of text and look at every post by Hash, and every post by Matt. Good times. Be back in a bit.