WW33 - Walking Dead [GAME THREAD]

[Qgqqqqq]

Hashoosh: either you're lying, or I'm lying, or Catwalk is lying.
If Catwalk is not actually seer, DDVVVTT checks out (with Jabbz' recent claim), and would have 6 vanilla.
If Catwalk is actually seer, then as already stated there's only 5 vanilla. And that's me and the 4 dead dudes.

Looking past today:
Awfully convenient for Jabbz to claim right when he did. Right after I stated how the choice was between a 1-shot vig and the SK.

Would quite like to see what zak has to say about all this.

I agree. Therefore I think we can assume that either he is a one-shot vig or he is the SK, as there would be no need for a bandit to lie to save another. There is always the possibility of him+scum partner lying, but Occams Razor.

One thing I am worried about is a lack of voting analysis. As no-one else has done so yet - evil-eyes - let's color us some votes:

Final vote tally:

Tally as of post 165:

6 votes: Ryan (novice, Hashoosh, Mattimeo, Catwalk, Jabbz, Zakalwe)
2 votes: sunrise089 (Rowain, BRick)
1 votes: Catwalk (Goreripper)
1 votes: Novice (Sunrise089)
1 votes: Goreripper (Qgqqqqq)
1 votes: Rowain (Azarius)

Final vote tally:

Tally as of post 330:

4 votes: Azarius (Qgqqqqq,Rowain, Goreripper, Zakalwe)
3 votes: GoreRipper ([Mattimeo, Catwalk, Hasoosh)
2 votes: Rowain (Azarius, Jabbz)

[Jabbz]

It's not cooties! It's an alternate universe so no one has genry savyness!
/banality

Sorry I missed the boat on this starting, I'll be active now.

Just to clarify, the prevailing way this works here is that the first round is completely random lynching, then we really start, right? Of course, I could just be feigning newness. Or maybe I'm double feinting? Or just slightly intoxicated?

That said, I'm voting Brick for speaking of the devil.

I’m a noob, I’ll be active.

Hashoosh, what devil was Brick speaking of? Richard Nixon?

Me, of course.

Hasoosh, do you have any reactions to the thread so far?

Too many Euro/Asia/Aus time zones, lots of thread spam.

As for writing style, that first in the thread last night was not the poster child of posting-sobriety, and I'll leave it at that.

I'm changing my vote from Brick (what's the vote change protocol for days?) to Ryan, who hasn`t been posting much.

What’s the protocol these days? Not exactly someone who doesn’t understand how the game runs would say.

@Rowain, the first is a picture of the 'double down' KFC monstrosity (delicious, delicious abominations) so he's doubling down on his vote. As for the second, it's a girl scout cookie, so maybe Catwalk is a girl scout? I'm really thrown by it as well. I initially thought cream puff, but those have the eponymous cream centre, so that's a no go.

Hashoosh, you only have to post your new vote, nothing else is needed to nullify an old vote.

What do you think about some of the other conversations going on in the game so far?

Good to know!

I think I'm starting to understand how this works. Without knowing the roles beforehand it's a little harder to pin down people's psychoses in this game. Just need to keep up the naive routine and I'll be set

I’m a noob. I’m teasing about being a noob.

I'm unfamiliar with serial killer, and it been mentioned a few times already. Was that a game with a baddie who would win if he was left with a small number of innocents, and would take night actions to further that end?

I’m a noob

Ugh. Parity is now distinctly possible...

Again, not a noobish statement.

Well, that IS interesting...

Godfather? What's that?

More to the point, I think this has been a ploy to frame jabbz, not sure, but I'm going yo go out and vote Zakalwe

I’m a noob.
I understand complex issues like framing

Yes! GG Rowain.

This confirms several things:
Possible results: TTTTT, TTTTTT, TTTTTTT, TT, T, 0 Ts. We also know it is either DD or DDDD (which allows us to rule out 5/6 Ts). That we went 3 -> 2 kill tells us either that two factions/killers doubled up (probably on Goreripper given that the SK would probably want to work with town) or that there is another doctor or roleblockers present or that a big was one shot. The death of Brick/novice strongly prejudices away from a second vigilante and towards a SK (again, assuming sunrise was vigged) but is by no means conclusive. We can be sure there is at least one vig so 5 Ts is not possible. Thus,
Possible rolls (T): 0, 1 or 2 - Goon/Roleblocker remaining, possible SK but probability is against it.
Possible rolls (M): 0, 2 or 4 (too many Vs & Ds known for 5) - prejudiced towards zero due to lack of claims
Possible rolls (V): 1-4 - difificult to distinguish between them as too many variables in play
Possible rolls (D): 2, 4
Possible rolls ©: 0-4 - I would have expected some to come forward with results considering yesterday could've been lylo.

Hasoosh

Any reasoning there? I've been spot on in my reads that Azarius and Rowain were town, and that Gore was unseemly. I guess I'm an easy target that you know catwalk will be voting against as well.

I pointed out this one time that Az and Rowain could be town so I must be innocent.

Sorry, it was only to add an xpost addendum ( I understand the concern though)

What do you want me to do with it?

Convenient change in editing. Accidental? Maybe..

Well something's wrong with your reasoning there catwalk, im a vanilla survivor

Pay attention, this is actually suspicious. He hadn’t made any claims about being willing to claim earlier that I could find. He only did when the pressure started to come.

Well we've got Ryan, Novice, Brick and Rowain as vanilla, and then myself as well. That's 5 townies. Azarius as D + Sunrise as 1sD, and Gore as a GF

That rules out TTT, TTTT, M, MMM, D, DDD, DDDDD. I don't see anything else which can be ruled out with absolute certainty.

Very non noob statement to make.

If Matt is being honest, then we have 6 vanilla survivors. Hum.

Is that possible on this configuration? Catwalk is obviously not a Mason, it doesn't seem to fit his reasoning of one shots.

DD - Doctors
V or VV (Qgq or someone else) (only way for three kills N1)
XXX (X)

TTT and TTTT are both out (GF).
M and MMM are also out
DDD and DDDDD

Now, 5T would net us Goon, Godfather, Serial Killer. That leaves us TTTTTDDV, with just a one shot vigilante and the serial killer both going on night 1. Night 2, the serial killer and the scum, with the 1sV spent.
5 Townies straight away, 1 D, 1sD, 1sV, 1Sk, 3 scum, 1 extra town.

That's 6 townies, with Catwalk lying or really dumb, and Qgqqqq trying to cover up being the serial killer with being a MSV. Jabbz or Zak as Scum or 1sV, one of either. This is assuming Mattimeo is telling the truth.

Uh oh, I made a bad call, better cover up with even more non noob analysis.

From everything I read here, I see someone who is being helped out by his teammates a lot. I buy that he is new at this, but he keeps popping up with information that seems very odd that he would possess. Along with that we have what appears to be little to no posts for the first few days, as he is likely afraid to tip his hand. Then all of the sudden he starts posting these well constructed posts with things he shouldn't know. Again, it looks like he is getting help, and feels comfortable after doing so. Added with the rest, he looks fishy.
My vote is on Hashoosh at the moment. Going to do Matt next. If I don’t post soon its because I fell asleep.

[Qgqqqqq]

Before I try pierce the meta-cloud, Hasoosh, what is X? It doesn't appear in the wiki at all, so what are you using it in place of?

[Jabbz]

Hashoosh: either you're lying, or I'm lying, or Catwalk is lying.
If Catwalk is not actually seer, DDVVVTT checks out (with Jabbz' recent claim), and would have 6 vanilla.
If Catwalk is actually seer, then as already stated there's only 5 vanilla. And that's me and the 4 dead dudes.

Looking past today:
Awfully convenient for Jabbz to claim right when he did. Right after I stated how the choice was between a 1-shot vig and the SK.

Would quite like to see what zak has to say about all this.

I agree. Therefore I think we can assume that either he is a one-shot vig or he is the SK, as there would be no need for a bandit to lie to save another. There is always the possibility of him+scum partner lying, but Occams Razor.

One thing I am worried about is a lack of voting analysis. As no-one else has done so yet - evil-eyes - let's color us some votes:

Final vote tally:

Tally as of post 165:

6 votes: Ryan (novice, Hashoosh, Mattimeo, Catwalk, Jabbz, Zakalwe)
2 votes: sunrise089 (Rowain, BRick)
1 votes: Catwalk (Goreripper)
1 votes: Novice (Sunrise089)
1 votes: Goreripper (Qgqqqqq)
1 votes: Rowain (Azarius)

Final vote tally:

Tally as of post 330:

4 votes: Azarius (Qgqqqqq,Rowain, Goreripper, Zakalwe)
3 votes: GoreRipper ([Mattimeo, Catwalk, Hasoosh)
2 votes: Rowain (Azarius, Jabbz)

If you are really really concerned I am the SK, then that's fine, we can have that discussion tomorrow. Whether I am SK or one shot vig, the way I understand it, it would be really for the town if I were to die instead of a scum. Please note my post where I address you being the SK. I think it's a little suspicious that you try to throw the SK bit back at me, but again, let's deal with that tomorrow, otherwise there might not be a tomorrow to discuss it in.

[Hashoosh]

I'm using X as a variable while reasoning. My posts are very stream of conscious, if that helps clarify how I write.

Now I've got to deconstruct this awful reasoning on Jabbz' part. I'm starting to see why there was such consternation between the Azarius/Rowain factions, holy shit.

[Qgqqqqq]

Jabbz, quickly as you're going to fall asleep, but that analysis is very emotive/embracing a bias and seems to work from the assumption of guilt/deception rather then looking at things objectively. Not saying the conclusion reached is necessarily incorrect, but the way in which you are doing this feels quite scummy (triggering third party alarms in my head) - for example, I don't have any problem with his editing as it seemed clearly to me a mistake (and if it was deliberate then that is beyond the deception of scum but on the level of mod-killing for cheating, so I can't see it as a ploy) but you automatically jump on it as if to take every oppurtunity to paint him in a negative light. Rather then analyzing another player, I for one would be far more interested in you doing a more in-depth objective analysis of the one player.

[Qgqqqqq]

I'm using X as a variable while reasoning. My posts are very stream of conscious, if that helps clarify how I write.

Now I've got to deconstruct this awful reasoning on Jabbz' part. I'm starting to see why there was such consternation between the Azarius/Rowain factions, holy shit.

Thanks.

Jabbz, this is the other reason why we keep objective - less toxic thread

[Jabbz]

I'm not actually calling him out. What I'm doing is looking for a pattern. To my understanding they both can't be honest. I figure everyone has made statements that are wrong, mistaken, suspicious, etc throughout the last week or so this game has been going on. As I said, I intend to do the same thing for Mattimo. My post wasn't an indictment of Hash, rather a listing of things I found suspicious. As I said at the bottom, my vote is only there for the moment. Unless of course Matt comes off clean. Or if someone explains to me how everyone else was wrong and there really can be to vanilla villagers. Everything is subject to change.

On a side note, I like how once I point out my challenge to you, you once again attack me, perhaps setting the stage for an easier kill of me tomorrow?

[Jabbz]

Meh, it's late. Maybe my logic is craptastic at the moment, I don't know. I'll do matt's eval in the morning, reread hash's, and read any other comments that appear. Maybe something will jump out at me.

[Hashoosh]

It's not cooties! It's an alternate universe so no one has genry savyness!
/banality

Sorry I missed the boat on this starting, I'll be active now.

Just to clarify, the prevailing way this works here is that the first round is completely random lynching, then we really start, right? Of course, I could just be feigning newness. Or maybe I'm double feinting? Or just slightly intoxicated?

That said, I'm voting Brick for speaking of the devil.

I’m a noob, I’ll be active.

Yep.

Hashoosh, what devil was Brick speaking of? Richard Nixon?

Me, of course.

Hasoosh, do you have any reactions to the thread so far?

Too many Euro/Asia/Aus time zones, lots of thread spam.

As for writing style, that first in the thread last night was not the poster child of posting-sobriety, and I'll leave it at that.

I'm changing my vote from Brick (what's the vote change protocol for days?) to Ryan, who hasn`t been posting much.

What’s the protocol these days? Not exactly someone who doesn’t understand how the game runs would say.

Emphasis mine. A) You've misread, for days does not mean these days. I was asking how RB Werewolf works, and as you can tell by my strike through (which isn't correct), I didn't know

@Rowain, the first is a picture of the 'double down' KFC monstrosity (delicious, delicious abominations) so he's doubling down on his vote. As for the second, it's a girl scout cookie, so maybe Catwalk is a girl scout? I'm really thrown by it as well. I initially thought cream puff, but those have the eponymous cream centre, so that's a no go.

Hashoosh, you only have to post your new vote, nothing else is needed to nullify an old vote.

What do you think about some of the other conversations going on in the game so far?

Good to know!

I think I'm starting to understand how this works. Without knowing the roles beforehand it's a little harder to pin down people's psychoses in this game. Just need to keep up the naive routine and I'll be set

I’m a noob. I’m teasing about being a noob.

A jest! Hang him!

I'm unfamiliar with serial killer, and it been mentioned a few times already. Was that a game with a baddie who would win if he was left with a small number of innocents, and would take night actions to further that end?

I’m a noob

A-ha! You seem to have caught on!

Ugh. Parity is now distinctly possible...

Again, not a noobish statement.

No, it's not. I'm not slow, I know how this game works.

Well, that IS interesting...

Godfather? What's that?

More to the point, I think this has been a ploy to frame jabbz, not sure, but I'm going yo go out and vote Zakalwe

I’m a noob.
I understand complex issues like framing

So you're saying someone who's never played WW at RB shouldn't know what framing is...?

Yes! GG Rowain.

This confirms several things:
Possible results: TTTTT, TTTTTT, TTTTTTT, TT, T, 0 Ts. We also know it is either DD or DDDD (which allows us to rule out 5/6 Ts). That we went 3 -> 2 kill tells us either that two factions/killers doubled up (probably on Goreripper given that the SK would probably want to work with town) or that there is another doctor or roleblockers present or that a big was one shot. The death of Brick/novice strongly prejudices away from a second vigilante and towards a SK (again, assuming sunrise was vigged) but is by no means conclusive. We can be sure there is at least one vig so 5 Ts is not possible. Thus,
Possible rolls (T): 0, 1 or 2 - Goon/Roleblocker remaining, possible SK but probability is against it.
Possible rolls (M): 0, 2 or 4 (too many Vs & Ds known for 5) - prejudiced towards zero due to lack of claims
Possible rolls (V): 1-4 - difificult to distinguish between them as too many variables in play
Possible rolls (D): 2, 4
Possible rolls ©: 0-4 - I would have expected some to come forward with results considering yesterday could've been lylo.

Hasoosh

Any reasoning there? I've been spot on in my reads that Azarius and Rowain were town, and that Gore was unseemly. I guess I'm an easy target that you know catwalk will be voting against as well.

I pointed out this one time that Az and Rowain could be town so I must be innocent.

Sorry, it was only to add an xpost addendum ( I understand the concern though)

What do you want me to do with it?

Convenient change in editing. Accidental? Maybe..

erm, you didn't quote the edited post, and the edited post wasn't even altered beyond addition without altering prior characters, including spaces (which, on some other forums, won't show up as edited)

Well something's wrong with your reasoning there catwalk, im a vanilla survivor

Pay attention, this is actually suspicious. He hadn’t made any claims about being willing to claim earlier that I could find. He only did when the pressure started to come.

Yes, this is suspicious. I didn't want to initiate a role claim, but I went along with it once it came and the people who were asked to go first went first. Shoot me.

Well we've got Ryan, Novice, Brick and Rowain as vanilla, and then myself as well. That's 5 townies. Azarius as D + Sunrise as 1sD, and Gore as a GF

That rules out TTT, TTTT, M, MMM, D, DDD, DDDDD. I don't see anything else which can be ruled out with absolute certainty.

Very non noob statement to make.

Again, you seem to be mistaking having a pulse for being a pro

If Matt is being honest, then we have 6 vanilla survivors. Hum.

Is that possible on this configuration? Catwalk is obviously not a Mason, it doesn't seem to fit his reasoning of one shots.

DD - Doctors
V or VV (Qgq or someone else) (only way for three kills N1)
XXX (X)

TTT and TTTT are both out (GF).
M and MMM are also out
DDD and DDDDD

Now, 5T would net us Goon, Godfather, Serial Killer. That leaves us TTTTTDDV, with just a one shot vigilante and the serial killer both going on night 1. Night 2, the serial killer and the scum, with the 1sV spent.
5 Townies straight away, 1 D, 1sD, 1sV, 1Sk, 3 scum, 1 extra town.

That's 6 townies, with Catwalk lying or really dumb, and Qgqqqq trying to cover up being the serial killer with being a MSV. Jabbz or Zak as Scum or 1sV, one of either. This is assuming Mattimeo is telling the truth.

Uh oh, I made a bad call, better cover up with even more non noob analysis.

From everything I read here, I see someone who is being helped out by his teammates a lot. I buy that he is new at this, but he keeps popping up with information that seems very odd that he would possess. Along with that we have what appears to be little to no posts for the first few days, as he is likely afraid to tip his hand. Then all of the sudden he starts posting these well constructed posts with things he shouldn't know. Again, it looks like he is getting help, and feels comfortable after doing so. Added with the rest, he looks fishy.
My vote is on Hashoosh at the moment. Going to do Matt next. If I don’t post soon its because I fell asleep.

Let me explain a little. I've never claimed to be new to the game of Werewolf. I've never played it here, which is true. I play the party version extensively (with real people, where it's less meta-analysis and more poker style readings) and I also played this style at paradoxplaza.

This is the first time I've looked at the C9++, I was think for some reason it would be written in C++, a language I don't understand, but was pleased to find it very intuitive. Now, I don't want to sound arrogant here, but I consider myself reasonably intelligent (though, everyone thinks they're smart), and I understood the way it worked.

What you've actually seen here, is someone who as experienced a learning curve, not a sinister conspiracy of being propped up by team mates to become better at the game.

Honestly, with your conduct in the Rowain/Azarius issue, you are looking mighty scummy here.