[SPOILERS] Will the Sun(rise) Ever Set on Washington, Mongolia?

[Whosit]

Turn 80 & 81-1/2 updates
Ughhhh

OK, so Zulu Desperados gifted me a clam. I already have a clam, but I accepted. I'm going to assume this is a Good Sign ™.



Whoop whoop.



Guess who has the Roman graphs.












Demos look alright.



So someone's settling aggressively and messing things up for me. WTF am I going to do about this?



Too bad I don't have any units in that boat.



So.... ugh. CH. I wish I didn't have to deal with you again. Especially since you're doing so much better. Wish I could get vision on his new city. I need to figure out what to do with the Settler coming out of Wendy. I'm considering planting it 1W of the sign that says "city" and chopping out a monument as the first build. Hopefully my monument would finish first so I can at least snatch the horses from CH. That spot can also snag the corn from Wendy and eventually get a couple of lighthouse lakes (I think). So that's probably what I'll do.

I'm too tired to sort this out now. I left the turn unfinished. Will work on a new New plan tomorrow. Wish I didn't have to do this every other day. Wish I could afford to whip like 4 Chariots and go burn a few HRE towns down.

[novice]

That CH x city looks hard to defend. You can 1-move it at any time.

[Whosit]

Oh, for sure. It's just a matter of when. The sooner I go for it, the easier it will be to kill, but now is not a good time to pick a fight, so he'll have time to develop and fortify it.

Also I was on :weed: yesterday. Settling 1W of the "city" sign can't get the corn, I don't know what I was thinking. It could steal sheep from Soos, but I don't think that's a good idea. I'm not really sure what to do with this Settler now. There are other spots I'd rather settle, but they are distant from Wendy and I'd need extra troops to defend them.

Could it be worth building/whipping an extra spear and axe to get that coastal spot north of Pacifica? I dunno. On the other hand, settling a new city north of Wendy might be a wise move anyway. I wouldn't put it past CH to jam his own settler in there some time if I let him, and that could not only lose me the silks, but make it impossible to defend from an attack. Just... where to settle? There's no food for it.

[Whosit]

I could also settle where the Warrior is standing. I'd get a plains hill plant (though I'd lose a perfectly good forest) and would get the Horses right away, but it's much more vulnerable from a distance perspective (easily hit by a sudden 2-mover attack). I think 1W of the "city" sign might be best, I'll just have to hurry a monument out.

[Whosit]

Working on the new new plan, I just realized that Mabel can potentially grab 8 forests in 2nd ring (would borrow/steal some from other nearby cities). If I could somehow get a city to grab the stone nearby (marble too if possible), I could chop out the Aqueduct and Hanging Gardens there. I'd need Masonry for the Stone and Aqueduct, and I'd have to hope that no one else grabs the HG by then, but when considering where my 1st post-currency Settler goes, that's an option. Too bad there's NO FOOD by the stone and marble, but it would be worth it if I could deny the location to CH.

Going for these means denying chops to those other cities, but only Gideon, the gold city, would really suffer for it. So why not?!

[Whosit]

My biggest problem is that my last few towns have basically been shit filler cities that are more a drain on the economy than a help. CH meanwhile is pushing his Imperialistic trait, and is surely going to beeline his 1/2 price Rathauses to pay for it all.

OK, that might not be my BIGGEST problem but I see it as a big problem at least.

[Whosit]

WTF to do?!

T81: Math > Currency (0%) [What're my beaker's invested? Income?] Wendy Worker Finish Chop (Settler); N. McGucket Worker Finish Chop (Granary); S. McGucket Worker Chop; 1 Mabel Worker Move 1SW Finish Farm; 1 Mabel Worker Move 1SE (Forest); SWAP Mabel to Axe (Axe); Stanford Worker Move 1W Cottage.
T82: Dipper (Worker > Lighthouse); Mabel Farm Worker Move to Gold Hill; Fur Worker Road; Galley gets 1 More turn exploring; Stanford Worker Cottage; N. McGucket Worker Move 1S Cottage (stop); S. McGucket Worker Chop; Wendy Worker Road; Mabel Worker Chop; Dipper Worker Move 2W Cottage.
T83: Soos (Settler > Spearman); Gold Hill Worker Road; Finish Fur Road; Stanford Worker Cottage; S. McGucket Worker Finish Chop; N. McGucket Worker Move 2S Farm; Wendy Worker Road; Mabel Worker Chop; 2-Pop WHIP Mabel; Dipper Worker Cottage; Move Settler; Return Galley.
T84: McGucket (Granary > Lighthouse); McGucket Workers Farm; Wendy Worker Moves 1NE Road; Mabel Worker Finish Chop; Mabel Work Farm; Gold Hill Worker Road; Fur Worker Chop; Stanford Worker Finish Cottage; Dipper Worker Cottage.
T85: Stanford (Galley > Worker); Soos (Spearman > Worker); Wendy (Settler > Lighthouse); McGucket Workers Finish Farm; Wendy Worker Finish Road; Dipper Worker Finish Cottage; Gold Worker Finish Road; Settle Gideon (MONUMENT); Mabel Worker Move 1SE; Fur Worker Chop; Stanford Worker Move 2SW (Forest).
T86: Fur Worker Finish Chop; Settle Toby (MONUMENT); Move Toby Worker 1NW (Forest); Wendy Worker Chop; Mabel/Dipper Worker Mine; 1-Pop WHIP Mabel; Gold Worker Move 1NW (Forest); Dipper Worker Move to Gold Mine; 2 McGucket Workers Move 2N Cottage (stop).
T87: Mabel (Monument > Archer); Gideon Worker Chop; Gold Worker Mine; Dipper/Mabel Worker Mine; 2 McGucket Workers Move 1N Cottage (stop); Toby Worker Chop; Wendy Worker Chop; Load Fur Worker into Galley.
T88: Stanford (Worker > Library); Soos (Worker > Spearman); 1-Pop Whip Pacifica; Gideon Worker Chop; Gold Worker Mine; Toby Worker Chop; Wendy Worker Finish Chop; Mabel/Dipper Worker Mine; 1 McGucket Worker Cottage; 1 McGucket Worker Move 1NW; Stanford Worker Move NW to Forest; Soos Worker Move 1W to Hill; Unload Worker in Dipper; Dipper Worker Move 2N (Forest).
T89: Mabel (Archer > Worker); Pacifica (Granary > Lighthouse); Mabel/Dipper Worker Finish Mine (MABEL Works); Gideon Worker Finish Chop; Gold Worker Mine; Soos Worker Mine; Stanford Worker Chop; 2 Wendy Workers Cottage; McGucket Worker Finish Cottage; Toby Worker Finish Chop; Dipper Worker Chop.
T90: Soos (Spearman > Chariot); Gideon (Monument > Granary); Toby (Monument > Granary); Soos Worker Mine; Stanford Worker Chop; 2 Wendy Workers Finish COttage; Gold Worker Finish Mine; McGucket Worker Move 1S Cottage; Toby Worker 1SE Farm; 1-Pop WHIP Dipper; Dipper Worker Chop; Hill Worker Road; Gideon Worker Move to Soos plains hill.

Units: 10 Workers, 3 Archers, 1 Chariot, 7 Warriors, 4 Axemen, 3 Spearmen, 2 Galleys.
Demos: GNP 73 (100%); Prod 52, Food 127
9 Cities with 43 populaton.

Compared to the thing I threw together the other day, much better.

T91: Dipper (Lighthouse > Library); Soos Worker Mine; Stanford Worker Finish Chop; McGucket Worker 2N Cottage; Toby Worker Farm; Mabel/Dipper Hill Worker Road (Finish); Soos Plains Hill Worker Mine; 2 Wendy Workers move 1NE Road; Dipper Worker Finish Chop; Gold Worker Move 1NE Chop (stop).
T92: Stanford (Library > Galley); Wendy (Lighthouse > Settler); Soos (Chariot > Axe); 1-Pop Whip Dipper; Soos Worker Finish Mine; Worker Cottage Stanford Plains; Stanford Worker Moves to plains tile; Worker Pair Move to Hill N. of Wendy and Mine (stop); Plains hill worker mine; Toby Worker Farm; Forest Worker Move to Horse and Road; Hill Worker Move 1NW and Road; Dipper Worker Finish Horse Road.
T93: Currency 100% (4T); Dipper (Library > Worker); Dipper hires two scientists; Give wheat to Soos; Mabel Worker Finish Road; Soos Hill Worker Mine; 2 Workers finish Stanford Plains Cottage; 2 Workers Finish Toby Farm; 1 Worker Mine Toby Hill; Soos Worker Move 1SW Road Sheep; 2 Worker Pair by Dipper.... Head south? *Might try to expand to that area south west of McGucket*
T94: Soos (Axe > Archer); Wendy Worker finish Mine; Toby Worker Pair 1S Farm; Mabel Worker Cottage; Soos Worker Finish Mine; Sheep Worker Finish Road; Traveling Worker Pair finish Farm 1S of Soos; Stanford Worker Pair move to grass hill 1W of McGucket.
T95: Stanford (Galley > Settler); Mabel Worker Cottage; Plains Hill Worker Road; Sheep Worker 1NW; 3 Workers at Toby Finish Farm; 2 McGucket Workers Mine; 1 Soos Worker to Forest?; Other 1 go back north. *Should probably do something else with themT96: n first place*
T96: Soos (Archer > Archer); Mabel (Worker > Worker); McGucket Workers finish mine; 1-Pop WHIP Pacifica; Hill Workers road; Mabel Worker Cottage; Workers at north go to forests to road; 1 Wendy Worker road Corn; Other 2 Road; Soos Worker Chop.
T97: Currency > Iron Working; Pacifica (Lighthouse > Monument); SWAP Gideon to Work Boat; Toby Worker connect Road; McGucket Workers Road; Corn Worker to Flood Plain Road; Toby Worker Pair to Jungle 1SE FP; Mabel Worker Cottage; 2-Pop Whip Mabel; Forest workers road; Plains Hill Worker to North of Mabel (borders popped); Soos Worker Chop.
T98: Soos (Archer > Settler) set to max hammer; Mabel (Worker > Barracks); Wendy Road Workers Road; 2-Pop Whip McGucket; 1-Pop Whip Gideon; 2 Workers road to SW city; Chop to Soos; Toby Worker Mine; What to do with Mabel workers? Gotta save forests....
T99: IW > Masonry; Dipper (Worker > Archer); McGucket (Lighthouse > Monument); .... I don't know what to do with like 3-4 workers at this point.
T100: Masonry > Aesthetics; Wendy (Settler > ???); ??? ??? ???

Units: 13 Workers, 5 Archers, 2 Chariots, 7 Warriors, 5 Axemen, 3 Spearmen, 3 Galleys.
Demos: GNP 123 (100%), Prod 55, Food 148
9 Cities with 53 population points

The last five turns are going to need some work. I probably should get Masonry first so Mabel can start on the Aqueduct ASAP and I just need to plan better with those workers to get the forests either roaded or pre-chopped. I may even get Aesthetics before IW so Soos can get a shot at the Satue of Zeus.

With that, I'll finish out turn 81 and 82.

[Whosit]

Stuff:

How can I settle this? I think I have a decent shot at grabbing some of it, though CH's IMP powered Settlers are no doubt on the march. I think I'll put a city either 1N or 1NW of the Wheat, depending on what's going on over the coast. That would let me get a city 1E of the sheep, so it could share the wheat. If I could also get the "Port Town" spot, then I'll be fairly happy with what I got up there. Though it definitely looks like I'm going to end up with a connected N-S empire, so I'm going to have super long borders to defend.



Interesting, but I can find no evidence that it's a hot war. I'll be keeping an eye on things though. I suppose it's still possible that Johns is trying to send a scout or work boat through HRE territory.



Made contact with Elum. His Galley passed ours. His score is good, but he has a low city count for being Imperialistic. Odd.



I just noticed this. Not the worst thing ever, but I was hoping to plant a city in those hills to plug up the southern pass, and by the time I get a Settler to that nice spot shown earlier, the Zulu will have grabbed one of those clams. I guess I'll settle on the Fort. Weaker city and can't contest the clams, but I want the Zulu as allies so I'll play nice. Assuming I can even still settle down there post Turn 90.



Elum's galley was left behind in the fog, but these are some nice offshore lands. To be perfectly honest, I'm toying with the possibility that I can get them from Korea somehow.



Looks like it doesn't connect by land here, so that might give me a shot at claiming some of this land.



So what am I looking at going forward? I've got Imperialist neighbors who are going to aggressively snap up all the land out here. I am sure I can still get a few nice spots, but only a few. Things are already getting tight. However, I have a big coast line, as much a blessing as a curse. I think my future will be the sea. If I can steadily increase my naval presence, I should be able to settle the nicer islands, with the hope that I can capture some land from the Koreans, especially the GLH.

[GermanJoey]

Looks like you're doing well, Whosit. Nice planning, and great thread so far!

[Whosit]

Hey, thanks a lot! I certainly feel like I'm doing better than I have in the past.