WW 34--The Slugfest!

[BRickAstley]

Honestly Zak, voting Jabbz there seems rather odd, since you're putting words in HIS mouth.

Your "asking him to reconsider" resulted in him emphasizing that that vote was just the closest thing he's seen to something suspicious, and he's open to there being a reason he doesn't know why Rowain doesn't like Bob.

That seems a lot more to me like he's agreeing that that vote is tenuous than doubling down in defense of it.

[BRickAstley]

I will admit I have a slight bias towards not wanting to see Jabbz lynched for something like that, cause usually the having new(er) blood being lynched for something that could easily be a misunderstanding isn't good for the village.

[Jkaen]

Yeah, 8.5 hours left. Tally as of post 146:

3 votes: GoreRipper (Jowy, Bobchillingworth, zakalwe)
3 votes: Rowain (BRickAstley, AdrienIer, Qgqqqqq)
2 votes: Lewwyn (Jkaen, sunrise089)
2 votes: Brickastley (Lewwyn, Mattimeo)
2 votes: Qgqqqqq (Rowain, novice)
1 votes: Mattimeo (Goreripper)
1 votes: Goregripper (BaII)
1 votes: bold (Jabbz)
1 votes: Jowy (Gazglum)

Voting history:

GoreRipper

???

Qg

Novice

Gazglum

Novice

sunrise089

Mattimeo

Gazglum

GoreRipper

Bobchillingworth

Qg

ROWAIN

Lewwyn

Rowain

Goreripper

Goreripper

Rowain

Goreripper

Bobchillingworth

Rowain

Rowain

Rowain

Rowain

Lewwyn

Goregripper

Brickastley

bold

BRickAstley

Qgqqqqq

Mattimeo

Jowy

Qgqqqqq

So the Goreripper votes are just against his style of playing.
Rowain is the standard style Rowain
Lewwyn is up there party due to my joke vote so that doesn't count
Brick and Q i have no big feelings on right now.
I will switch my vote to Qgqqqqq as the best of a short bunch

(basically i still have no idea hence how little i have spoken)

[Goreripper]

@ Bob

If Rowain doesn't strike you as scummy, who does at the moment? Do you think Goreripper is still the best target? Why is Rowain's perceived obnoxiousness not scummy, but Goreripper's is?

Rowain looks to me to be playing the same way he does every game, which is a style I find personally annoying but not nearly meriting a vote. Everyone I'm familiar with here is playing the same basic way they do in like every itineration of WW, regardless of alignment. Novice is quietly assuming a position of presumed authority by taking the driver's seat in discussions whenever possible. Jowy is a couple unkind comments away from exploding. Brick is friendly and talkative, even when he has nothing to say. Sunrise is trying to float through while posting the exact bare minimum necessary to let us know he's actually playing. Zak has reopened his therapist detective shop. I know I play essentially the same way in every game, no matter what team I'm on.


"Goreripper" is different, though. Commodore's operating under a self-imposed style restriction in order to gratuitously snipe at Jowy and give the appearance of heavy participation with a minimum of effort. It bothers me, it's pointlessly unhelpful to the town, and it earns him my Day One vote.
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I also did warn before joining this game that I wasn't going to invest myself in it to the same degree as the last few I participated in. I'm going to try to stay engaged, but don't expect a constant running analysis or barrage of questions.

We find the fun how ever we can. For me that is posting at one more remove from my self. Not to snipe at Jowy or to blow smoke. You find the fun this time by not engaging heavily. Fair enough. But I do not find my method of finding fun more harmful than your apathetic performance.

[BaII]

@Jowy I still don't get how you consider Gore lynch a win win scenario can you atleast elaborate on that before the deadline. I'm going to hold off on voting for Jabbaz until we get another response from him don't want to condem him just yet.

[Jabbz]

So incoming wall of text, sorry about that. I had some more things I wanted to get out yesterday, but with my potential screwup with the bold red font, I wanted to wait for some feedback, and then got otherwise involved. I'll do my best to address everything here, and then I'll pop out another post for my current vote.

PS. I remember there being some kind of tool that let you sort posts by individual, track a bunch of stuff etc, from the other time I played. If someone could direct me to that, it would make my life much easier.

@BRick why are you still voting me even so you concede that your reason to vote for me was wrong?

@Adrien & Jabbz: Do you have anything else to say then Rowain sounds aggressive so lets hop on the wagon? What is your stand now?

Qgqqqqq

I was never really on Rowain that much. I made a very qualified, very tenuous vote for him, more to get a response, than out of any expectation that my vote would reside there for the rest of the game day. Point in fact, it has moved, and I'll address that in my next post.

I think the closest I've seen to something actually suspicious was...

Because at the moment Bob is the one I want to see swinging from the gallow.

Neither zak nor Brick nor somebody else has so far been enough scummy to switch my vote.

especially given that there is so little info out there, to be determined to make him swing seems odd. There could be a reason I suppose though, maybe he squashed him in a game recently?

Aren't you putting words in Rowain's mouth there? I don't see him saying that he's determined to make Bob swing. "At the moment" is an important qualifier.

As are the qualifiers I put in my statements you quoted. I put them in bold, so they are easier to find.

Yes, but is Zak putting words in your mouth? Do you deny putting words in Rowain's mouth?

I do deny putting words in Rowain's mouth. His exact quote was "at the moment Bob is the one I want to see swinging from the gallow." Absolutely worst case scenario, I placed determined in place of want to see, which I don't believe is putting words in someone's mouth, but rather interpreting their intent. Added to my own qualifiers, I think it's a substantial stretch to go from that to "Jabbz R Evil."

@BRick I don't see any laps in reasoning.

I explained how he triggered my scum-o-meter but not enough to be worth a vote or the labour to get him lynched. Once he survives till D3 we have more and maybe better data.

Still this were not the reasons for your vote so it does still lokk like you are desperately trying to get me lynched no matter how many fabricated reasons you need. Very much the same sunrise and xenu tried to do in WW31 the one you hosted.

Rowain why Qgqqqqq? Not really disagreeing I like the Lewwyn argument for your ankle biting late wagon joiners. But of those Jabbz looks worst to me.

Yes Jabbz looks bad. Especially if he had read past games and should therefor know my style and his reasoning is very much parroting of Adrien.

On general I found that scum loves to use untruth/lies and misinterpretations of my words/actions to attack me. So Brick is one top candidate for this especially with is later excuses to keep his vote on me. Adrien I might excuse for beeing relativly new, Jabbz looks extremly fishy but Qgqqqqq votes because I don't want to lynch zak on D1 which is a thing I have said several times in the past for example in WW 33 (in which Qg also played)

Honestly from a pure theoretical PoV lynching one of you/novice increases town chances greatly. But I like the lynch zak/novice on Day2 approach better

So there is a clear untruth told by Qg as reason to vote me => Qgqqqqq is scum.

So, I will address two parts here. The first is the Bandwagon claim. Initially, let me say I didn't much pay attention to who had votes where while I was doing my first responses, not that it matters much. Keep in mind, this is all of my second game, and while I am not pleading ignorance by any stretch, I don't have a lot of practice at all the ways people act, and or interpret, the behaviors of voters. I simply looked at something that was fishy, and made an observation about it, see above.

Second is the simple fact that Rowaine was acting oddly enough to get a number of people to vote for him. It is possible that people weren't bandwagoning, but simply recognizing similar issues. It can happen. Besides which, from what I've seen in the last game I played, early bandwagoning doesn't really tend to stick.

Let me also add, directed @Gore: Yes I have read over some of the past games, but what I can get perusing page after page of peoples comments is drastically different from what people will get from playing the game, being critical of all the comments being made, and actively participating in trying to parse meaning from everyone's statements. I have read some of them, more because I'm a communication major, and enjoy tracking the flow conversation, but there is only so much you can get without being able to actively engage, rather than just passively reading. Again, I am not pleading ignorance, just don't expect quite that much from me, you will be disappointed :P

Well I'm not convinced Brick is obvtown, novice, but I don't think he's swinging today. I'm more suspicious of Jabbz out of the other Rowain voters, but I willing to vote Qgqqqqq and see what shakes out while I sleep. I'll try to be on before deadline. It's like 8am for me.

Hey I will join you on Jabbz he definitely is worst looking of the Rowain voters.

I think the closest I've seen to something actually suspicious was...

Because at the moment Bob is the one I want to see swinging from the gallow.

Neither zak nor Brick nor somebody else has so far been enough scummy to switch my vote.

especially given that there is so little info out there, to be determined to make him swing seems odd. There could be a reason I suppose though, maybe he squashed him in a game recently?

Aren't you putting words in Rowain's mouth there? I don't see him saying that he's determined to make Bob swing. "At the moment" is an important qualifier.

As are the qualifiers I put in my statements you quoted. I put them in bold, so they are easier to find.

I don't like this response. I was asking him to reconsider his vote, but all he did was to defend it.

Jabbz

Not very keen on lynching Rowain or Brick.

I think Brick handles my defense pretty much the same way I would, so I won't bother paraphrasing, and will just let him speak for himself.

Honestly Zak, voting Jabbz there seems rather odd, since you're putting words in HIS mouth.

Your "asking him to reconsider" resulted in him emphasizing that that vote was just the closest thing he's seen to something suspicious, and he's open to there being a reason he doesn't know why Rowain doesn't like Bob.

That seems a lot more to me like he's agreeing that that vote is tenuous than doubling down in defense of it.

All that being said, the final thing on this post is No Lynch

[Qgqqqqq]

How many hours are left?

[MJW (ya that one)]

How many hours are left?

Around 5:45

[novice]

I do deny putting words in Rowain's mouth. His exact quote was "at the moment Bob is the one I want to see swinging from the gallow." Absolutely worst case scenario, I placed determined in place of want to see, which I don't believe is putting words in someone's mouth, but rather interpreting their intent. Added to my own qualifiers, I think it's a substantial stretch to go from that to "Jabbz R Evil."

"determined" implies that there is no "at the moment" qualifier. In my mind there's a difference between "at the moment Bob is the one I want to see swinging" and "I'm determined to see Bob swinging". It seemed odd to me that you reacted to Zak pointing this out by doubling down on your vote instead of simply acknowledging Zak's point.

The fact that you used qualifiers yourself doesn't have anything to do with it, it would be like me saying this:

"I could be wrong, but at the moment I find it a bit odd that Jabbz admits to being scum."

In general though I do think it's okay to interpret intent by paraphrasing.

[Qgqqqqq]

@BRick I don't see any laps in reasoning.

I explained how he triggered my scum-o-meter but not enough to be worth a vote or the labour to get him lynched. Once he survives till D3 we have more and maybe better data.

Still this were not the reasons for your vote so it does still lokk like you are desperately trying to get me lynched no matter how many fabricated reasons you need. Very much the same sunrise and xenu tried to do in WW31 the one you hosted.

Rowain why Qgqqqqq? Not really disagreeing I like the Lewwyn argument for your ankle biting late wagon joiners. But of those Jabbz looks worst to me.

Yes Jabbz looks bad. Especially if he had read past games and should therefor know my style and his reasoning is very much parroting of Adrien.

On general I found that scum loves to use untruth/lies and misinterpretations of my words/actions to attack me. So Brick is one top candidate for this especially with is later excuses to keep his vote on me. Adrien I might excuse for beeing relativly new, Jabbz looks extremly fishy but Qgqqqqq votes because I don't want to lynch zak on D1 which is a thing I have said several times in the past for example in WW 33 (in which Qg also played)

Honestly from a pure theoretical PoV lynching one of you/novice increases town chances greatly. But I like the lynch zak/novice on Day2 approach better

So there is a clear untruth told by Qg as reason to vote me => Qgqqqqq is scum.

As I said at the time, that was based on my memory - that quote is almost a year ago, and I don't reread mafia games. For me, the biggest thing I remember about your play is the willingness to push Zak/novice more than most (especially among the vets).

Still, with that your defense is better, though I still don't get why you couldn't vote just for pressure/tells. unvote