WW 34--The Slugfest!

[Goreripper]

Baii will always be a default. Sad but true unless he post more. Bob I am ok with I guess with as well Jabbz. They seem linked along with Jowy by interaction and their mutual tickle circle. So that is my lack of movement o pot calling me black.

Warning. Novice so help me if you start another random ambush run I will vote you in red exclusively until the end of time.

[Goreripper]

Seriously Novice what have you done for us lately. Or at all this game.

[zakalwe]

Given Bob's latest posts I think we should just lynch him sooner rather than later. I'm willing to give Jabbz another day to find his footing. I could also lynch BaII, but someone vigging him would be an excellent alternative.

And conversely, we cannot vig Bob. So it does make sense to use the lynch on him.

[Jowy]

Given Bob's latest posts I think we should just lynch him sooner rather than later. I'm willing to give Jabbz another day to find his footing. I could also lynch BaII, but someone vigging him would be an excellent alternative.

Apart from that I don't see many options. I guess my next suspect is Goreripper, he feels somewhat circumspect. And even after a 24 hour gag order he seems content to observe. I don't think we should lynch Jkaen or Jowy.

I could go for a Gore lynch. He's been active but I haven't got any town vibes from his posts. One thing that holds me back is that he got silenced, and if the silencer is not a townie, then Gore is.

[zakalwe]

One thing that holds me back is that he got silenced, and if the silencer is not a townie, then Gore is.

Clearly that's a bad assumption.

[novice]

I could go for a Gore lynch. He's been active but I haven't got any town vibes from his posts. One thing that holds me back is that he got silenced, and if the silencer is not a townie, then Gore is.

Well, I could easily see scum silencing a teammate who would otherwise have to keep posting to preserve a perception of activity.

[Jowy]

I could go for a Gore lynch. He's been active but I haven't got any town vibes from his posts. One thing that holds me back is that he got silenced, and if the silencer is not a townie, then Gore is.

Well, I could easily see scum silencing a teammate who would otherwise have to keep posting to preserve a perception of activity.

Yeah, though I would imagine there would be someone that would need it more than Gore. It is a doubt in the back of my mind.

[novice]

Warning. Novice so help me if you start another random ambush run I will vote you in red exclusively until the end of time.

Don't worry, you can consider my vote locked in. I'm preparing for bed.

[Gazglum]

Tally as of post 518, based on the Glumcount rather than fancy tech tools.

5 votes: Bob (Jkaen, novice, AdrienIer, BaII, Zakalwe)
3 votes: Jabbz (Lewwyn, Gazglum, Jowy)
2 votes: Jowy (Goreripper, BRickAstley)
1 votes: BaII (Mattimeo)
1 votes: novice (Bobchillingworth)
1 vote: Jkaen (Jabbz)

[Jabbz]

Thanks for the lengthy response Jabbz.

Bob :...All in all it seems fishy to me, and makes him a pretty good option for a Lynch. My only real question is whether or not lynching him today is the best option....

...Of the three, I think the one that bothers me the most is Jkaen. He is (from what I can tell) by far the most aggressive and active person so far today. He latched on to Bob early, but his reasons for it, and the insistence that he dies tonight, are tenuous at best...

It seems to me that you think Bob is a likely candidate for scum, but you are also accusing Jkaen for pursuing him. Then you have Jowy as another candidate, for reason I think you summarised well, but he is Jkaen's second choice as well. So how should Jkaen be playing today?

Jkaen: Given my impression of Bob this round, and the efforts of some to pull the vote away from him, I think Jkaen is very worried that others are going to decide he doesn't need to die today. Given my analysis above, I don't understand that dedication to him swinging today. My concern is that we may be led by our nose here.

If your impression of Bob is that he is a good option for a lunch, why is Jkaen's behaviour odd?

If you think someone is a wolf, doesn't it make sense to hang them today as Jkaen is arguing? Each day they are around they are able to help swing the votes, and each night they can get up to who knows what mischief.

JMW told us that the wolves can talk to each other during the day, so that means Jkaen could be operating with a lot more information than the rest of us, and setting a townie up to burn.

Couldn't this line apply to any of us, on any case?

I'll try to address all of these, sorry if I miss one.

On why lynch Jkaen for wanting Bob. My reasoning behind this is that while Bob may be a good lynch, there is A: no urgency in killing him, and B: the possibility that things will happen, such as him dying or someone risking a check on him, that will clear him. To me, viging him tonight seems like a waste of our resources. Since Jkaen is pushing for that so hard, despite clear reasons for letting him live another night, that makes me think he is either 1: A third party killer which is possible given the first nights events, or 2: a wolf trying to get rid of a townie. From a townie perspective, I simply see no reason to kill him tonight. We know he is fishy, we can watch his voting, and I doubt the scum have enough of an advantage that letting him live one day will swing any votes too severely. Instead we should be looking for someone who is more scummy. ATM that seems to be Jkaen.

Absolutely, it could apply to any of us, and I may be making the mistake of adjusting my perception of the facts to meet my theory. It does seem however, that Jkaen is playing with a few more cards in his hand than the rest of us have.

Baii will always be a default. Sad but true unless he post more. Bob I am ok with I guess with as well Jabbz. They seem linked along with Jowy by interaction and their mutual tickle circle. So that is my lack of movement o pot calling me black.

Warning. Novice so help me if you start another random ambush run I will vote you in red exclusively until the end of time.

I'm not understanding what you're saying here Gore. Are you saying you're ok with lynching me and bob, or that You're ok with us surviving and don't think (at the moment at least) were ebil? I'm assuming the first as you've kind of been riding me this whole game so far.

especially as he was already under some duress when he first claimed.

I was? I'd have to double-check, but I think I claimed before anyone even cast a D2 vote on me. Given that I only almost swung on D1 because of a dogpile that materialized literally in the last ten minutes & the case against me was essentially "he's too nonchalant" , I wouldn't exactly describe my claim as being made under "duress".

His claim on Novice is based only on Novice placing a vote against him. There is no analysis to support it, just a “fine if you want to vote for me, I’ll vote for you.”

Clarification / correction: It's more "if you want to vote for me with uncharacteristically poor reasoning, I'll vote for you."

Although I'm also pretty tempted to vote for Zak for his repeated suggestions that I'm just parroting stuff I read on the mafia wikia, like some sort of neophyte or child.

Jowy swaps around from vote to vote pretty rapidly so far this day.

You certainly aren't the first person to make it, but this is a really awful version to vote for anyone. Villagers should absolutely feel free to toss votes around however they please, up until they cast the only one that counts. To argue otherwise is to encourage people to obstinately latch on to targets and calcify into lynch blocs, which shuts down villager's ability to apply pressure at-will and be difficult for the scum to predict. I only get a mild town read from Jowy, but "he makes too many votes" is just a terrible case to make against him.



Not going to respond to all of the other blather about me, I've already explained why I revealed when I revealed, what my role is, and how the former is irrelevant to the policy lynch and/or scum crowd. Plus I'm trying to hold firm to my resolution to not over-engage in the game, and the combination of bastard role + limp village is sapping my interest something fierce.

Bob, you were under pressure from day 1. It doesn't just go away because we lynched someone, and you know that. As to the observations on Jowy, the problem is that he doesn't provide any reasons for why he is jumping ship, no analysis, just jumps from dogpile to dogpile, and that bugs me.