WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[Jowy]

You need to claim when you have that many votes and you are the center of discussion. Claiming is good for town, but it won't work if every time a townie gets wagoned he thinks he's a special snowflake and doesn't have to claim. Then we're stuck waiting for this situation to resolve itself and it clogs up our progress until we vig or lynch him, or he finally claims.

[Jkaen]

I find it odd that this far into the game that there are 3 people without a real vote behind them, a no vote (Fenn) and 2 people (Novice and TT) who havent even voted yet.

Any reason you are all holding onto your votes so much?

[zakalwe]

I think Q's case against Jabbz is better than my original case against Q. So I don't really feel the need to hear Q's claim at this point.

[Jkaen]

You need to claim when you have that many votes and you are the center of discussion. Claiming is good for town, but it won't work if every time a townie gets wagoned he thinks he's a special snowflake and doesn't have to claim. Then we're stuck waiting for this situation to resolve itself and it clogs up our progress until we vig or lynch him, or he finally claims.

And by forcing everybody to claim nice and early it means the scum can get about 6 village claims a day in, in order to help them pick their shots.

You do realise that while we are waiting to see if Q will/needs to claim you are allowed to discuss other people?

[Qgqqqqq]

Adrien has been skating along as well, though not so scummily as Jabbz. Here's where he voted me:

Well Novice at least had the decency to "claim", whatever truth is in that statement. Still a better defense than Qgqqqqq

And his other post is bad as well. It isn't massively scummy, but it is taking an easy ride - only discussing novice/me (plus some meta), mainly for meta reasons. Lurker, but one that hasn't been posting well, IMO.

[Gazglum]

Ok, I'm back

If Q played roleblocker recently, I can understand the discard for something else as long as it was at least of equal power. If you don't want to roleclaim early Q, I would at least be interested in hearing which of the possible town roles you would have considered a good pick over roleblocker.

As someone else with better maths than me said, it's also plausible that somebody would have got two power roles offered. So Novice's claim is not lynchworthy in itself, especially since he has claimed cop. If there are any other cops out there they could always run an internal affairs investigation. I would like to hear from Novice who he thinks does look scummy though, if he has time.

Twinkletoes is another person who I would like to see a vote and a reason from, rather than restating the facts of the case.

I think FBI agent was a good role, but like Hider I can understand why someone would dump it. Plus I agree with Mattimeo's hypocrisy call on Bob here,

@ Fenn- I'm not voting for novice because I want him to role reveal; pressuring people into telling everyone their powers on penalty of death is a terrible village strategy. I just think he's the best person to hang, given the information on hand.

Note: he has already confirmed that it was a full reveal.

While I appreciate you might want revenge for being lynched as a strongly town role last game, I really don't think the best way to go about it is to attempt the exact same thing as was done to you, especially in a game where you don't have the excuse of 'most of the people voting are scum and actively wanting to get rid of a strong town role.

Bobchillingworth

SO I'll go Bobchillingworth for now too.

[Jowy]

You need to claim when you have that many votes and you are the center of discussion. Claiming is good for town, but it won't work if every time a townie gets wagoned he thinks he's a special snowflake and doesn't have to claim. Then we're stuck waiting for this situation to resolve itself and it clogs up our progress until we vig or lynch him, or he finally claims.

And by forcing everybody to claim nice and early it means the scum can get about 6 village claims a day in, in order to help them pick their shots.

You do realise that while we are waiting to see if Q will/needs to claim you are allowed to discuss other people?

I think we should start by assuming that we're somewhat good at this game and the six people who all get a ton of suspicion won't all end up being town.

[Mattimeo]

Sure, Rowain. The point was why would scum know or think me SK at this stage in the game?

I think the idea was, if scum are piling on you it's because they think (like Rowain) that you're likely Vig or SK. Scum like having either of these roles dead, and would especially like to be visibly on a wagon that kills a non-town aligned player. If the assumption is you're either Vig or SK, that's pretty damn good odds of you being such a wagon, so scum are likely to see it as appealing.

I find it odd that this far into the game that there are 3 people without a real vote behind them, a no vote (Fenn) and 2 people (Novice and TT) who havent even voted yet.

...we're ~17 hours into D1. I really don't find much of that particularly odd. Maybe novice not making a joke-vote. But I'd think that this game has enough meta to throw at us right off the bat that joke-votes are even less useful than the near-0 value they have in regular games.

[Qgqqqqq]

You need to claim when you have that many votes and you are the center of discussion. Claiming is good for town, but it won't work if every time a townie gets wagoned he thinks he's a special snowflake and doesn't have to claim. Then we're stuck waiting for this situation to resolve itself and it clogs up our progress until we vig or lynch him, or he finally claims.

...that sounds like the opposite argument. Claiming wouldn't work if every townie that gets wagoned thinks he's a special snowflake and has to claim - that way we end up with all the power roles outed, and scum having better informed choices (especially for when they need to claim!).

You do realise that while we are waiting to see if Q will/needs to claim you are allowed to discuss other people?

This, absolutely.

[Mattimeo]

Plus I agree with Mattimeo's hypocrisy call on Bob here,

Do note that it's significantly more for the "trying to lynch someone that's more than likely a Cop, and if they're not they're still going to give us info that can be useful when we realise that" than the hypocrisy angle.