WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[AdrienIer]

Crosspost with Jkaen I agree completely

[Gazglum]

Fenn, when you wake up, do you think that there is anything suspicious about any of the players apart from the discarders, Novice/Q/Lewwyn, etc?

At the moment your Novice > Lewwyn > No Vote but will probably come back to Novice or Q reads a bit like a delaying tactic while you wait to see where the bandwagon is going to set up.

[Jowy]

Ok, I think Jowy is all over the place here.

He states he sees 11 roles he would switch for roleblocker, then after saying everybody should be on novices jumps on the Q train.

Then seems to randomly get bored with that and decide to just drop that approach.

I'm used to a meta where you claim or you die. It's a good meta, pro-town.
I didn't get bored of trying to force outside metas into RB, I just think ya'll are too stubborn to change and I'll look like a cunt trying to make others play like I want them to play.

[Lewwyn]

Why? I never had one. I went back when I got home and honestly felt like everyone had already said why Qg was suspicious. And I agreed. Would you like me to aggregate everyone's points and then go down a list of why I agree with this that and the other thing? Because it seems pointless and boring to me.

I thought you had a post in mind when you made your promise. More than just about Qgqqqq. Has anything else triggered your scumdar or made you question your stance on Qgqqqq?

Actually, yes.

You know who was the first to vote for Qgqqqqq after Qg wrote his initial post? :

It's happening!!!!

[Day one LYNCH! Day one LYNCH! Day one LYNCH!]

Lynchpocalypse is coming, my friends. It comes for us all in the end, but today? Today it comes for me.


Anyway, yeah I got town/town :/ Not that it matters, for today I get to help the scum in an entirely unique and fascinating way - by becoming the instant topic of the day for them to dump votes on

I'd...rather not share why I rejected roleblocker, specifically. But I will say this: in one of my most recent games (not on this site) I rolled a boosted-jailkeeper (they also got to neighborize the people they jailsd) and honestly it wasn't a role I enjoyed much. Not only was RB a repeat of that - in a game packed with roles - it was a weaker version, and it's one that has significant downsides (I've never been very good with difficult roles, day 1 in that game I jailed our only cop thinking they were scum). So yeah, I chose against it.

Bobchillingworth, you were offered a chance to repeat last game, why wouldn't you take it?

Sorry, Qg, but that's a pretty bad post, too elaborate and all. You are usually one of the first guys to post on the game threads, with jokes and all. This post + that fact + BRick's announcement makes me think you are a wolf.

Qgqq

Ichabod.

Do I agree with Ichabod's idea that Qgqqqq's post was elaborate? Yes. But then again it is Qg.... I don't like that he's following up with "Brick's announcement" as part of his reasoning for why Qg must be scum.

Honestly, though... I just think Qg is scum based on his rather desperate tone. If I'm right then I don't think Ichabod is scum. I don't think scum would coordinate a one-two punch to create deep cover.

UGh even though I thought I had a reason not to suspect Qg it just makes me think another suspect is more village than I thought.

Crossposting with a load. >_>

[Mattimeo]

He has answered the question. I just pointed out why he might have had specifically GF in his mind.

Ooh, was it zak seeding the idea that novice was Godfather about half an hour before Jabbz made his initial post? 'Cause that's what immediately popped out for me.

Of course, that was also around the time I misread 'Vanilla' as 'Village' enough times to base a vote around it. So I'll admit my thought processes might not have been the most reliable right then...

[Lewwyn]

Lewwyn loves playing scum / SK, and I strongly believe he would took them if given the chance. He loves the mind games.
His suspicion of Ichabod is pretty bad IMO (http://realmsbeyond.net/forums/showthrea...#pid518007)
Ichabod's attack on dtay was backtracked to begin with. He included a point regarding his forum personality with comment "maybe it's just how he rolls". So your accusation of him trying to backtrack later doesn't make sense.

Sort of agree with this. It's not a crime to make bad attacks on day 1, but Lewwyn's attack on Ichabod looks a little more "malicious" than Ichabod's attack on dtay. The latter looked more like probing for tells than casting aspersions.

Or I'm thinking out loud.

Meiz the whole idea of probing for tells would mean that you would be a bit more forceful then backtracking the whole time you are probing, no? I usually get suspicious of people who ask too many questions. It's like the questions get you "involved" but then there's no need to actually do anything about it. If you think it was malicious Zak, I'd hate to hear what you'd define any other time I accuse someone of scum. I didn't think I was attacking very harshly.

That said Ichabod is definitely on my radar.

But that is not what you accused him of to begin with. I think your accusation was flawed and I find it hard to understand how you draw the conclusion of Ichabod attacking town and then later backtracking & looking for a way out.

Since we won't be hearing from Qgqq for a while, I'll vote Lewwyn

Aren't you wrong though? I'm going to quote the post so I can show you you are wrong.

The exchange between Ichabod and dtay is really interesting. (posts 49-59) I'm not going to quote the whole thing. Basically Ichabod accusing dtay of being meta-y wolf. Honestly it sounds a little bit like a wolf going in on a townie, getting rebuffed and backtracking slowly. When Ichabod asks, "What do you think about this?" It looks like he's looking for his final way out and to make his earlier throwing of suspicion seem less intent.

FoS: Ichabod

What did I say? I said he was accusing dtay of being wolfy. Look:

These "the game play like this" posts are really wolfy...

Though dtay seems to be a pretty analytical guy from what I read from him in the forum, so I get this is just how he rolls, perhaps. (I get a similar vibe from his posts in Civ reports).

Does that not look like exactly what I said?? Cast suspicion, complete with the nice ellipsis implying "YOU ARE A WOLF" with a built in backtrack get out of jail "my mistake" card.

Then what did I say? When Ichabod makes his question he's looking for a way out of the conversation while making his earlier casting of suspicion seem less like casting of suspicion. Isn't that exactly what he does here? :

It's wolfy because those posts are a good way of appearing to make content without making actual content. They talk about "general rules" and are, thus, generic, not related to any specific situation or player (only marginally). So, when doing this, you avoid things like contradicting yourself when presenting an argument (which happens when playing wolf), or stepping on someone else's toe when making a case (which can quickly turn into a revenge vote, which you don't want when playing wolf), but you also give the appearance of content.

Usually, newbie wolves that are still getting their feet wet tend to fall back to arguments like this, when making more specific ones seems dangerous/hard.

What do you think about this?

Ichabod explains the metawolfy comment, being metawolfy himself (though I didn't have as much of a problem with that because he was talking to dtay as a newbie) and then asks this question, "What do you think about this?" Which as I've said consistently in both posts now is a really crux of why I found Ichabod suspicious.

I seriously don't see what you're talking about Meiz. In fact it just looks to me like you're twisting my words.

[Meiz]

He has answered the question. I just pointed out why he might have had specifically GF in his mind.

Yes, but there was a specific question on why he happened to choose exactly GF, and I would have liked to hear the answer directly from him.

[Meiz]

Wolf-Ichabod would have no need to try to make his attack less intent on his follow-up, since it was not intent to begin with. As I understand it, he makes a general statement on a wolf behavior, but also thinks it might be in character for dtay. I don't understand at all how his last question for dtay's opinion makes him lean wolf either. So I think you're making this much bigger deal than it actually is.

[Lewwyn]

Wolf-Ichabod would have no need to try to make his attack less intent on his follow-up, since it was not intent to begin with. As I understand it, he makes a general statement on a wolf behavior, but also thinks it might be in character for dtay. I don't understand at all how his last question for dtay's opinion makes him lean wolf either. So I think you're making this much bigger deal than it actually is.

If you read my earlier post you would recognize I've already moved off Ichabod as a suspect.

But my point at the time and what I was thinking at that time is still exactly how I see it.

"What do you think about this?" is such a wolf question. I don't get how you don't see that. I would use that as a wolf. That's why its a big deal from my perspective.

[Meiz]

If you read my earlier post you would recognize I've already moved off Ichabod as a suspect.

But my point at the time and what I was thinking at that time is still exactly how I see it.

"What do you think about this?" is such a wolf question. I don't get how you don't see that. I would use that as a wolf. That's why its a big deal from my perspective.

I did read it, but it doesn't invalidate my argument at all on you making a bad accusation.

I'm interested to hear others take on this. Maybe they can put a light on how that is an obvious wolf tell