WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[zakalwe]

About Lewwyn, he agreed with Mattimeo that discarding a town power role should be viewed more than anything as an indication that you have a stronger town power role. He said that was really important. But still he is now voting for Q based on "his rather desperate tone". That seems fishy.

[Ichabod]

Ichabod, when Jabbz was piling onto Q, he introduced his post like this:

Caught up for the time being. As with the other two day one games, there isn't a lot of definitive information going around yet. What does stand out to me however, is Qg.

But the thing that stands out, according to Jabbz, is Q's first post, which he had ample opportunity to comment on earlier. He ignored that whole discussion until there was a big wagon to join, and then went back to that post and characterized it like this:

This excuse sounds just absolutely terrible to me. It cites some nebulous other site forum game, claims that more roles makes a role blocker weaker, and claims "oh I'm bad, so I didn't want an important role." I don't know Qg all that well, but this seems very off for him.

If that opening post by Q really was so terrible, then it's strange that Jabbz completely ignored it earlier, even going so far as to unvote. I believe this is Q's main point against Jabbz, and probably also what he's referring to in the bolded part. In any case, it's the reason why I'm voting for Jabbz.

Thanks, zak. That makes sense. I was thinking along a different line about Jabbz and wanted to confirm if Qgqq's case actually made sense or if he felt more like something he just created to get suspicion off him. What I thought Qgqq could have meant, and that I thought would make sense, is that Jabbz didn't just agree with the case on Qgqq, he went out of his way to create a different argument (he refers to the same post a lot of people already quoted, but with a distinct read on why it's suspicious). That seems like scum trying to create content to his name and trying not to appear a follower.

What you pointed out is not the same thing, but it also makes sense. So my question to Qgqq is moot now, since he can just agree with you (and what you said is probably what he meant, now that I reread).

These thoughts are a mess. Here's the core of it: I still suspect Qgqq. His posts after the first feel like good scum hunting, but those can be faked and will be faked by a good wolf player, when he gets so much heat. He makes a good point about Jabbz (and I was trying to see if this case was a villager one or a wolf one), but I still prefer voting for Qg.

[Rowain]

He votes for somebody ditching the FBI cop role which i don't think is that great, but if you go through the posts it seems almost every post refers to SK in some manner.

That's because I think very possible we have an Sk and I can't understand that especially Mattimeo discarded that role.

[zakalwe]

What I thought Qgqq could have meant, and that I thought would make sense, is that Jabbz didn't just agree with the case on Qgqq, he went out of his way to create a different argument (he refers to the same post a lot of people already quoted, but with a distinct read on why it's suspicious). That seems like scum trying to create content to his name and trying not to appear a follower.

That's a related concept, and I think that might play into it, too. I.e., the reason why he suddenly went back to Q's opening post, which he had previously ignored, is because he wanted to justify his vote (and overdid it, in a sense).

[zakalwe]

Tally as of post 214:

6 votes: Qgqqqqq (Azarius, AdrienIer, Lewwyn, Jabbz, Ichabod, dtay)
3 votes: Jabbz (Qgqqqqq, zakalwe, Molach)
2 votes: Bobchillingworth (Mattimeo, Gazglum)
2 votes: Lewwyn (Meiz, Jowy)
1 votes: novice (Bobchillingworth)
1 votes: Mattimeo (Rowain)
1 votes: No vote (Fenn)
1 votes: Mafia Tracker (Twinkletoes89)
1 votes: Jowy (Jkaen)

Voting history:

Ichabod

Mattimeo

Novice

Jabbz

Qgqqqqq

Qgqqqqq

Gazglum

Mattimeo

Qqqqqqqq

Azarius

Novice

Bobchillingworth

Qgqq

Novice

Novice

Qgqq

Novice

Mattimeo

Lewwyn

Azarius

Qgqqqqq

Twinkletoes

no vote

Azarius

novice

Mafia Tracker

mattimeo

Lewwyn

Twinkletoes

Qgqqqqq

Mafia Goon

Mafia Goon

Mafia Lover

Mafia Tracker

Bobchillingworth

Qqqqqqqqq

No vote

Qgqqqqq

Qgqqqqq

Jabbz

Jabbz

Qgqqqqq

Bobchillingworth

Unvote

Lewwyn

Jowy

Lewwyn

jabbz

[Jkaen]

Mattimeo,

I was just going through your posts trying to understand the case on Bob (Thought I could join it, get him mislynched again and watch his head explode in rage ).

Is it still just the initial post you made regarding his Novice vote?

[Mattimeo]

Mattimeo,

I was just going through your posts trying to understand the case on Bob (Thought I could join it, get him mislynched again and watch his head explode in rage ).

Is it still just the initial post you made regarding his Novice vote?

This is the sum total of Bob's contributions thus far:

Wow, I also didn't expect that Brick would reveal exactly who discarded what roles. I can't complain, since my discarded role was the worst possible and most unpleasant in the entire list, but I'm actually in favor of restarting to spare the poor people who, rightly or wrongly, are now going to get heat for discarding key village roles.


... That said, I'm voting novice because, if we're playing on, I can't just disregard him disposing of such an important role. Yeah, he could be the Cop, but odds are much better that he's some flavor of scum.


Lewwyn might be a Mason or something. Since IIRC there are no scum Masons, any 2+ declared Masons are very likely village, and anyone whose publically announced Mason buddy dies are fully confirmed.


As for Qg's post that nobody likes, this might be bringing in too much outside information, but I'm almost certain I know what site he's talking about having played on before (he linked me there a couple weeks ago), and I believe he did indeed at one point play with the role he described. I find his discard excuse at least faintly credible.

@ Fenn- I'm not voting for novice because I want him to role reveal; pressuring people into telling everyone their powers on penalty of death is a terrible village strategy. I just think he's the best person to hang, given the information on hand.


I suppose we could leave him alone for a day though. If he's actually a village Cop there's a good chance he'll die anyway, and if he doesn't we can either lynch him day 2 or he might be able to provide a useful scan result if he isn't lying. That said, there isn't anyone else really jumping out at me as being particularly scummy atm.


It is a shame we don't have a Vanilla Cop, for the reasons already mentioned, but there are a few better village roles Azarius could have landed instead.

His entire stated reasoning for voting novice is "he's claimed a very valuable role, but he could be scum, so we should lynch him".

There is no possible way 'logic' like that is in any way beneficial to town.

[Mattimeo]

Continuing to fail at 'edits'; existing for the last 6 months on a forum with no indication that an edit has taken place if it's done within 5 minutes of a post being made has spoiled me.

That the justification Bob is using to lynch novice is almost exactly the reasoning that was used to lynch Bob himself in the last game, with the primary difference being this game presumably isn't overwhelmingly scum-aligned, is just icing on the cake.
I'm not sure that basing your policy lynch off "scum-town thinks this is a good idea" is in any way sound.

[novice]

BTW, this is the post by Jabbz that I didn't really talk about. I'm bringing it up as further proof that he'd read my opening post and the ones that followed - he even quoted something that included it! - yet didn't see any reason to bring it up/discuss it until it was clear there was a pile on. His statement in his fifth post of "catching up" doesn't fly.

Agreed. Jabbz.

He has answered the question. I just pointed out why he might have had specifically GF in his mind.

Yes, but there was a specific question on why he happened to choose exactly GF, and I would have liked to hear the answer directly from him.

Not answering questions on behalf of others is even more pertinent considering scum can't talk at day.

[Mattimeo]

Not answering questions on behalf of others is even more pertinent considering scum can't talk at day.

Wait, what? I can't find that anywhere in the rules.