WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[novice]

Yeah I have trouble seeing the similarity between those two wagons myself, tbh.

[Jowy]

But then you went and voted for Qg anyway (albeit later retracted after you got heat), and advocated revealing people's roles piecemeal on penalty of death, which is an awful, anti-village strategy. So, Jowy.

Claiming is pro-town. The alternative to claiming is to lynch someone without knowing his role. What's the gain here? Claiming gives us extra knowledge, and with that knowledge we can make a more informed decision that has a higher chance to be correct. In this particular case I've taken a look at the available roles list and the roles that we would believe town Qg to drop roleblocker for is a short one. Even better, all of them are single roles, so if he is scum and fake claims one, there's a good chance that he'll be counterclaimed and caught.

[zakalwe]

And in the light of the above: Jabbz

What's the connection between no day talking and voting for Jabbz?

[Bobchillingworth]

Claiming is pro-town. The alternative to claiming is to lynch someone without knowing his role. What's the gain here? Claiming gives us extra knowledge, and with that knowledge we can make a more informed decision that has a higher chance to be correct. In this particular case I've taken a look at the available roles list and the roles that we would believe town Qg to drop roleblocker for is a short one. Even better, all of them are single roles, so if he is scum and fake claims one, there's a good chance that he'll be counterclaimed and caught.

Yes, Qg should claim shortly before he is lynched, if he is otherwise going to die. He has noted himself that he'll try to do so before the deadline if necessary.


But what you wrote was this:

You need to claim when you have that many votes and you are the center of discussion. Claiming is good for town, but it won't work if every time a townie gets wagoned he thinks he's a special snowflake and doesn't have to claim. Then we're stuck waiting for this situation to resolve itself and it clogs up our progress until we vig or lynch him, or he finally claims.

And I can't get behind that, at all. Claim if it's late in the day and you'll otherwise surely bite it. But don't claim with almost an entire day left just because you're getting currently bandwagoned. If you're a villager who does, and it's a wagon initiated or strengthened by scum, then the scum can just pile on some other poor sucker, having gained valuable intelligence essentially for free.

What is "our progress" even supposed to mean? The progress toward revealing village power roles?

[Rowain]

And in the light of the above: Jabbz

What's the connection between no day talking and voting for Jabbz?

None at all.

But Mattimeos surprise made me lean 'not scum' on him. So together with absolutely no support to lynch him I decided to move my vote.

Jabbz simply for the reasons Qgqq , you etc have listed and out of interest to see what happens afterwards.

[Rowain]

And I can't get behind that, at all. Claim if it's late in the day and you'll otherwise surely bite it. But don't claim with almost an entire day left just because you're getting currently bandwagoned. If you're a villager who does, and it's a wagon initiated or strengthened by scum, then the scum can just pile on some other poor sucker, having gained valuable intelligence essentially for free.

What is "our progress" even supposed to mean? The progress toward revealing village power roles?

I totally agree with this post by Bob (which might be a first)

[Jowy]

Claiming is pro-town. The alternative to claiming is to lynch someone without knowing his role. What's the gain here? Claiming gives us extra knowledge, and with that knowledge we can make a more informed decision that has a higher chance to be correct. In this particular case I've taken a look at the available roles list and the roles that we would believe town Qg to drop roleblocker for is a short one. Even better, all of them are single roles, so if he is scum and fake claims one, there's a good chance that he'll be counterclaimed and caught.

Yes, Qg should claim shortly before he is lynched, if he is otherwise going to die. He has noted himself that he'll try to do so before the deadline if necessary.


But what you wrote was this:

You need to claim when you have that many votes and you are the center of discussion. Claiming is good for town, but it won't work if every time a townie gets wagoned he thinks he's a special snowflake and doesn't have to claim. Then we're stuck waiting for this situation to resolve itself and it clogs up our progress until we vig or lynch him, or he finally claims.

And I can't get behind that, at all. Claim if it's late in the day and you'll otherwise surely bite it. But don't claim with almost an entire day left just because you're getting currently bandwagoned. If you're a villager who does, and it's a wagon initiated or strengthened by scum, then the scum can just pile on some other poor sucker, having gained valuable intelligence essentially for free.

What is "our progress" even supposed to mean? The progress toward revealing village power roles?

What do you suggest we do when we have a few hours left in the day and he finally claims? There might not be time to counterclaim him, and there's definitely no time to start another wagon and get someone else to claim before the deadline. So are we going to lynch someone else without getting a claim first? Maybe a random wagon in the last 5 minutes in old school RB style?

[Jowy]

I really don't understand the logic that killing a townie is better than outing their role. It completely boggles my mind. If we're going to lynch a townie, I'd rather he claim his role and be deemed town if it's a strong role and be saved, than be killed because he won't claim in fear of outing his role. The role won't do much good when you're dead. And if we weren't going to kill the guy, then why are we all voting to lynch him in the first place?

[Qgqqqqq]

What do you suggest we do when we have a few hours left in the day and he finally claims? There might not be time to counterclaim him, and there's definitely no time to start another wagon and get someone else to claim before the deadline. So are we going to lynch someone else without getting a claim first? Maybe a random wagon in the last 5 minutes in old school RB style?

Well, having checked what time the day ends, I can say that I'll be claiming ~8 or more hours before the deadline if I do.

[Meiz]

What do you suggest we do when we have a few hours left in the day and he finally claims? There might not be time to counterclaim him, and there's definitely no time to start another wagon and get someone else to claim before the deadline. So are we going to lynch someone else without getting a claim first? Maybe a random wagon in the last 5 minutes in old school RB style?

This is the main reason I suggested him to claim as well.