WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[Ichabod]

Though Ichabod...could you try to delete extraneous bits of quotes you quote?

Will do.

(thought about quoting your whole massive post when posting this).

Yeah, I kind of have wolf glasses while reading all your posts now, Qg. I know you can play a very deceptive wolf (you were wolf that one time with Ryan, right? Or am I misremembering). After you post, I actually believe you knew about showing the discarded roles for the players -> it fits with what I know of you, having interest and questioning about rulesets and such discussions. But that makes me think your post was actually MORE crafted, like if you already knew that, by tossing a good role while picking wolf/Sk, people would suspect you and you had to do something about it...

I diagnosed myself with a sort of tunnel vision, but perhaps it's a right vision, nonetheless.

Even so, let's add a vote to Fenn, for now.

[Qgqqqqq]

Actually, I'm less fond of Fenn having reread that. I hadn't realised that he voted Jabbz despite not discussing him in his previous long post.


Ichabod: Yeah, I was wolf with Ryan.

And fuck, Jabbz posts right as I need to go.

[Azarius]

Wow guys I'm supposed to work not spend an hour catching up on this on my phone !
Q will be away for a day, let's spend that time looking at other people. I'd be looking at Jowy had he not discarded mafia tracker. Could be a way to hide if he drew goon/tracker. He's been changing his mind a lot, making a show of participating while backing off from actually investigating. I got bad vibes from Zak at one point, will try to find where it xas when I get home.

I don't like this post. You say you aren't going to look at someone because of his discard. In your next breath you go on to imply he is acting scummy, and that his discard could be good cover. Why bring this up if you aren't actually considering him? Looking forward to your post about your bad vibe's from Zakalwe as well.

[Azarius]

I did not find Ichabod's probing of dtay to be scummy really. I didn't see his qualification about dtay's posting style as a way to back out later, more as him trying to frame his thinking. I don't especially see Lewwyn's poking at Ichabod scummy either. Zak, what is so bad about post 194 that I am missing?

If you read my earlier post you would recognize I've already moved off Ichabod as a suspect.

But my point at the time and what I was thinking at that time is still exactly how I see it.

"What do you think about this?" is such a wolf question. I don't get how you don't see that. I would use that as a wolf. That's why its a big deal from my perspective.

I did read it, but it doesn't invalidate my argument at all on you making a bad accusation.

I'm interested to hear others take on this. Maybe they can put a light on how that is an obvious wolf tell

Not sure if this is supposed to be ironic or not....

[Azarius]

Continuing to fail at 'edits'; existing for the last 6 months on a forum with no indication that an edit has taken place if it's done within 5 minutes of a post being made has spoiled me.

That the justification Bob is using to lynch novice is almost exactly the reasoning that was used to lynch Bob himself in the last game, with the primary difference being this game presumably isn't overwhelmingly scum-aligned, is just icing on the cake.
I'm not sure that basing your policy lynch off "scum-town thinks this is a good idea" is in any way sound.

Disagree entirely with this. Bob's lynch was driven by (for the town minority anyways) that there was no way to verify his claim, thus it was a perfect hiding spot for a wolf. I don't see how that mirrors novice at all. We may have another power role that can verify him. He can also verify himself with scans. Or, being eaten, since unlike Bob's role he wouldn't be taking out a wolf with him. Fwiw I think novice has a higher probability of being scum than town, but I still do not want to lynch him today. We have ways of resolving it going forward, and if we lynch him and we're wrong, we just shot ourselves in the foot.

[zakalwe]

"Zak, what is so bad about post 194 that I am missing?"

Hard to explain, especially on the phone. I think I have developed a hypersensitivity to Lewwyn's scumminess after playing scum with him so many times, and that post just seems to tick all the boxes. Something about the contorted logic in combination with the rhetoric.

There is also a more general scum tell in the way he speculates about multiple alignments and how the pieces might "fit together". That's one way to strengthen your cases if you struggle to manufacture fake reads. See my "based on interaction tells" post from the last game, for example.

[Jabbz]

Meh got tied up with IRL shit. Won't be able to post until I get home from class around 5ish PST.

[AdrienIer]

Jabbz's posts were bad, but Bob is looking worse IMO. I'm not talking about the discussion with Jowy about revealing (which takes up most of his posts), but about the initial choice to lynch Novice AFTER he claimed, the only one to do that. Did you just skim through the thread, saw that novice had a lot of votes against him and decided to join before realizing it was a mistake ? Novice's claim should be verifiable soon, he'll be on everyone's radar now. Qgqq you never mention except to defend him confirming his other site story and saying he should claim right before the deadline so no one can call his bluff.
You'd be right in your discussion with Jowy if this were a normal setup where we have no idea who is who, here though we know Q and Novice are likely to have an important role and if they're not wolfs they're likely targets on N1. By claiming they give important information to the town, information that the wolves already suspected anyway. The only reason why Q would want to keep his role secret is if he's doctor, he'd know that he's the only one in the game due to Novice and Ichabod dropping the other two, so he becomes unique and all-important.

And we give the scum more information that they can use. We have a maximum of two protective roles (IIRC Jailer and 1 Doctor?), thus we can't protect all or even most of the targets. That means that if all the roles are out in the open, scum have a pretty good offering to pick and choose who they want (and they might have a strongarm, too). That's a very different thing from these people have strong roles, choose how you want to approach them.

Besides, why would Doctor (even being the only one) make it the most precious role? If there had been 3 tourist roles discarded and one left in the game, that wouldn't make it any more valuable. Each role is valuable on its own merits, IMO.

Nice try fishing, though.

I forgot Jailer protected its target, even so it's not stupid to bet on us only getting one of them. Therefore we should try to keep the doctor alive for as long as possible, else the wolves can chose the target they want knowing this player will die. With at least one of the protectors in the game a little mind game happens, as it would happen tonight. Assuming Novice is telling the truth, he is likely to be protected, so should the wolves target him at the risk of losing a kill ? So the difference between 1 and 0 doctors is far greater than between 2 and 1.

[Bobchillingworth]

Novice absolutely has a better chance of being scum than a cop; 12/35 vs. 2/35. But because he has claimed as a potentially verifiable role, I'm okay with letting him wait for a day. This should not be taken as a sign for other villagers to start dropping role reveals.

Wolves can't talk at daytime, so I think it is reasonable to assume that some of them were caught out by the public role discards (as most of us were), and are now playing for time. After this lynch they get to discuss together, plan out their stories more. This is when they are most insecure, and with the least information.

I don't think everybody should claim at all, but what if, say, the people who threw away the 4 best town roles all claimed? Novice already has, after all, and claimed about the best role in the game. If he is town, then the scum already have a very big target to hunt. Plus any of those discardesr - Q, Mattimeo, Lewwyn, (maybe Ichabod, Twiinkletoes or Azarius) - who are not scum, have already announced themselves to the scum to be either serial killer or major town power role, because they threw away something pretty good.

In other words, I don't think scum gain that much from making all of those guys claim before lynch, and I think the town does gain more than we lose. If we were going to make them claim at all, then before Night 1 is best.

I don't follow how any of this benefits the village. Four players suspected of either having strong village roles or being scum do a role reveal, and this helps us how? If they're all village, then they've primed themselves for nightkills and/or blocking or day-killing and informed the wolves of roles that aren't safe to claim. If one or more are scum claiming an occupied town power role, then they can only be revealed as such by someone with a strong village role uncovering themselves on D1, before they've even had a chance to make use of their powers. If one or two are scum claiming a power role that nobody has, they'll just sail on by while any actual villagers forced to reveal alongside them are potentially sunk.


Actually, this is bad enough that I'm changing to Gazglum. If I misunderstood you, please clarify the above for me.

The only reason why Q would want to keep his role secret is if he's doctor, he'd know that he's the only one in the game due to Novice and Ichabod dropping the other two, so he becomes unique and all-important.

As has been noted, Qg could also be a jailer. Or he could be a Mason, Masons being unusually strong in this game. Or a mutlishot Vig. Point is, there are number of options, and you're obviously fishing. Most of your recent posts are fishy as well. It's like a scummy seafood buffet.

[Meiz]

Not sure if this is supposed to be ironic or not....

It was not, so you need to spell it out for me. Are you saying my accusation against Lewwyn is bad as well?