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Jabbz · January 29th, 2015, 21:33

Also, could we get a vote count?

BRickAstley · January 29th, 2015, 21:46

Tally as of post 291:

6 votes: Jabbz (Qgqqqqq, zakalwe, Molach, novice, Rowain, Fenn)
3 votes: Qgqqqqq (AdrienIer, Lewwyn, Jabbz)
3 votes: Lewwyn (Meiz, Jowy, Gazglum)
1 votes: Gazglum (Bobchillingworth)
1 votes: Bobchillingworth (Mattimeo)
1 votes: Qgqq (Ichabod)
1 votes: Qqqqqqqqq (dtay)
1 votes: Jowy (Jkaen)
1 votes: AdrienIer (Azarius)
1 votes: Qgqqqq (Twinkletoes89)

Voting history:

I'm counting all the Qgqqqqq votes together, i'm just too tired to organize the list right now.

Ichabod · January 29th, 2015, 21:47

The boss is watching! ALT + TAB EVERYONE!!!111

Fenn · January 29th, 2015, 21:52

It seems Qgqqqqq has the perfect strategy to avoid getting lynched! lol

Jabbz · January 29th, 2015, 22:10

Heh, so just to clarify, despite the variations in the name, the fact that Qg hit 6 before me puts the immediate pressure on him.

Meiz · January 30th, 2015, 01:09

(January 29th, 2015, 16:03)Molach Wrote: In response to #259...
Gazglum knows a bit about fishing - but I don't think I see this obvious fishing as something mafia would consider smart, safe day 1 play. I don't agree with his scheme - exact roles make the cabal of who to watch, kill, block etc easier for mafiosi - but I see equally a "throwing ideas into the pond" villager here. No lean either way for me.

Completely agree with this point.

(January 29th, 2015, 18:56)Twinkletoes89 Wrote: There has been considerable early traction on Qgqqqqq and then (naturally) people started getting cold feet and wanting to consider options in case its an easy set-up and he's being made to be a fallguy.

My gut instinct is that we were right with Qgqqqqq based on just how messy it has got since that point. I get that we need to consider other options and that it is day one, but this feels *too* messy that it is being actively encouraged by scum. I get this feeling a lot when I play werewolf and having been forced to stand back from the discussion and frequently 'catch up' with multiple pages of responses makes me feel more confident in my ability to notice shifts in the 'mood' of the day.

There's also the fact that he needs to sleep, in which case just waiting for him to come back will not do any good.

Anyways, I'm on the same boat (I mean train) regarding Qgqq, and I still think he needs to claim asap.

Rowain · January 30th, 2015, 02:02

It strikes me odd that everyone talks about how Qgqqqqq should claim but nobody urges Jabbz to claim despite him having as many votes and beeing in the same danger of getting lynched.

Twinkletoes89 · January 30th, 2015, 02:08

(January 29th, 2015, 20:27)Mattimeo Wrote:
(January 29th, 2015, 19:41)Twinkletoes89 Wrote: Ichabod & Mattimeo - Their proposals that someone rejecting a strong village role is more likely to demonstrate that they took a more powerful village role seems contrary to the odds in my opinion.
Yes. That's the entire fucking point. You're going to get so much flak from ditching a stong town role that it's basically suicide to do so. Thus, if you have any choice in the matter (say, your other role was scum, rather than also strong town) you'd ditch the scum in a heartbeat just so that you're not near the top of the suspicion list every single damn day.

Numerical odds mean jack shit when you're making informed decisions based on how other people are going to respond

In another game I'd fully agreed with the point you made, but not this one.

I see your point but you are ignoring the fact that it's super likely that multiple players didn't know that Brick would reveal exactly which one they dropped - Hence his rule clarification. This would also likely mean that at least one of them has something to hide being SK or Mafia.

Thus the odds don't mean completely jack shit in all cases and I'm confused as to why you didn't see that yourself.

Molach · January 30th, 2015, 02:10

Perhaps because jabbz can claim vanilla town. Q has very few possible claims, a fake claim could be easily disproven.

dtay · January 30th, 2015, 02:51

Rowain Wrote:It strikes me odd that everyone talks about how Qgqqqqq should claim but nobody urges Jabbz to claim despite him having as many votes and beeing in the same danger of getting lynched.

What Molach said. A Jabbz claim doesn't really resolve much, because the suspicions on Jabbz doesn't at all stem (even initially) from his role-reject. Since he rejected mafia he could claim literally any town role, including Vanilla, which would be hard if not impossible to call him on without a mass claim. It wouldn't accomplish anything.

Combined with my general slight suspicion of those voting Jabbz (I agree Jabbz is suspicious if Qqqqqq turns out to be town, I just disagree with latter so it seems likely in that case that at least 1 of the jabbz voters are scum), this arg feels forced and scummy. Mmotivated reasoning.

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