@Ichabod I'm voting Q and I won't change my mind until he claims
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WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]
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I don't get why you quoted your own post on this matter rather than my (or others) criticizing it, but anyway.
(January 29th, 2015, 14:07)Jabbz Wrote: So first, a couple of observations on my initial posting here that claims Qg. Yes, I understand that Qg made that post right at the beginning. However, the first time I read it I didn't think much of the role itself. If you note, (and a number of you did) it did not make it into my list of role drops that I found suspicious. What caught my attention instead was Novice, and the other roles I found to be powerful. After reading other peoples posts, and taking into account how powerful it would be in a game where almost everyone has a role (I would imagine not many people took non power roles, unless they couldn't avoid it). So I did what any open minded person should do, I looked at new information, and since I found it persuasive, altered my views on it. So is it the role itself that caught your attention and, at the least, caused you to re-read (the second time)? Your post (and vote) then, is completely about the meta of the role, rather than the way I handled it? Quote:On the "Nebulous other site." Until you posted said other site, it was nebulous. You pointing to it after the fact doesn't change my perception of its value when you posted it. It might provide some exoneration after the fact, but it is not in and of itself indicative of my scumminess. Why would I ever comment on another site unless I was able and willing to present it? Like, why would you ever assume that's a lie or tenuous - I could easily claim an IRL game instead, which would be far easier to fake. No, the indicator of your scumminess lies in that you chose to jump on a series of easy and meta-bound lynches, and then exaggerated your response to my post. Quote:On the "weaker role" I read you as saying that the RB here is weaker than the RBesque role you had on the other site. That being your justification for not wanting it is like turning down a 1s vig because you played a MS vig before and the 1s is so much less powerful. True. It wasn't my justification, but I can see how you might have thought that. Fake edit: actually, that wasn't what you said in yout post at all. You said: "claims that more roles makes a role blocker weaker" That's nothing like what you've just defended. What's going on here? Quote:On the "lets not lynch anyone. Ok that might have been over the top, I'll give you that. TBH reading it this morning, I'm not sure where exactly I was going with that last night. In my defense, I was posting right before bed after a long day. I do stand by the rest of my post however. Making votes is absolutely about placing pressure. No questions there. To state, however, that it isn't also about getting someone lynched is ludicrous, however, and deliberately and after-the-fact cheapening a vote. Your argument here for my lynch is basically entirely meta - you voted novice before on meta, backed off on meta and then came after me on meta. To you, the way I handled it didn't matter a whit, until after you decided that my role was more powerful than you thought (but still weaker than half the claimable roles...) and came back to have a look. Even then, the way you say it doesn't make me think you really cared for what occurred therein, it was merely the fact that I rejected the role and then failed to claim. The focus is on the excuse of rejecting, not on the (apparently terrible) way that I handled it - all pressure for claims rather than scumhunting, a continuation of the trend. I get re-reading for tells. But this isn't anything to do with that - this is all role-based, as you said in the first bit of this post (you returned after you realised how strong it was), no mention of what I was saying. And thus, because he's been pressuring not for reads but for claims, he'll have got his victory. And again, there's no real defense against what was argued! He's been wagoning big-time - following the big posts, not scumhunting individually but jumping on reads - but he doesn't defend against it, instead saying that he's not expecting to end up lynching, merely holding out to pressure. For what? How has my response be recieved? Or are you just blatantly pressuring for a role-claim? Unfortunately I don't have time to analyse his other posts, but he doesn't seem to give any more reasoning on me, and continues to be dominated by meta discussion. I honestly don't recall his previous games, but this is all scummy as fuck.
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January 30th, 2015, 06:45
(This post was last modified: January 30th, 2015, 06:47 by BRickAstley.)
 (January 30th, 2015, 05:27)Mattimeo Wrote:(January 30th, 2015, 05:21)zakalwe Wrote: You and Jabbz are both on 6, and it's unclear how the tie would be broken.I thought standing practice for resolving ties was This is the intention of the tiebreaker rule, I can see how the line in the first post could be confusing. You take the two people that are tied and go back vote by vote as far as you have to until they don't have the same amount of votes. I'm not trying to be arcane and unclear I just didn't realize that a more spelled out line explaining it was necessary. I'll update the front page post when I am on my desktop but for now yes, the above method is what I mean by the tiebreaker. Also since I'm on my phone I can't make a tally right now, someone can do an unofficial one, and I'll be able to make an official tally by 3 hours til deadline
God, I really wish I could be online for the next few hours...
But fuck it, going to have to claim - it's like 1 here already. I am a town cop. I've been studiously avoiding novice ever since he claimed, in the hopes that I'd be able to get to day 2 and scan him and that he would, presumably, go for me because of all the focus being in my direction. I think his claim was a bit premptory, tbh, but seeing as I was certain to have to claim in the next couple of days, regardless, I thought I'd be able to be clear it on the morrow. Early on I was hoping to avoid being explicit (at all) about my role, though I knew my behaviour in the setup thread would get me some early votes, so I just avoided discussing it. Once it became clear that that was being distorted I tried to keep it more broad so it wasn't so obvious.... Anyway, well done to the rolefishing brigade  especially Adrien and Jabbz, who seem to be at it at a vengeance.
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Tally as of post 347:
6 votes: Jabbz (Qgqqqqq, zakalwe, Molach, novice, Fenn, Ichabod) 4 votes: Lewwyn (Meiz, Jowy, Gazglum, Rowain) 3 votes: Qgqqqqq (AdrienIer, Lewwyn, Jabbz) 1 votes: Sycophants (BRickAstley) 1 votes: Gazglum (Bobchillingworth) 1 votes: Bobchillingworth (Mattimeo) 1 votes: Qqqqqqqqq (dtay) 1 votes: Jowy (Jkaen) 1 votes: AdrienIer (Azarius) 1 votes: Qgqqqq (Twinkletoes89) Voting history:
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That's...better than I thought. Fuck.
Anyway, night. See you after the lynch.
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