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WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

(February 1st, 2015, 15:34)Twinkletoes89 Wrote: Rowain was pretty visible on Day One and yet on Day Two I've barely noticed him.

Sometimes people have a live outside WW. Getting criticized by you for inactivity feels like a pitbull complaining about a maltese's bite.
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(February 2nd, 2015, 05:07)Gazglum Wrote:
(February 1st, 2015, 01:55)Jkaen Wrote: Oh before I am asked, I have read through quickly the case against TT, Ichabod seems to be putting cases together quite nicely this game (town read). Would have no problem voting TT, but would prefer to try and push another candidate that nobody really seems focused on.

What do you think of Twinkletoes now?

Give me a bit and I will try to fit in the TT review summary thingy too. ATM no real idea other than a general slightly scum overview from what i remember
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(February 2nd, 2015, 04:19)Jkaen Wrote: Still on the power role rejectors but seems to skip from Qq to Novice for no real reason.

Supports the let cops prove themselves argument, which is fine, then jumps again fairly randomly onto Lewwyn.

Both skips are for the purpose of pressuring players into explaining why exactly they threw away Doctor/IC. All 3 were on the initial list of people I thought deserved pressure in one of my first posts, who exactly my vote is on at that point is pretty irrelevant for the actual lynch.

(February 2nd, 2015, 04:19)Jkaen Wrote: Also find it weird for a new player to start using stuff like WIFOM, not sure if thats a tell of anything though

WIFOM isn't a werewolf phrase, common phrase in diplo for example. Also best movie scene ever. hammer

(February 2nd, 2015, 04:19)Jkaen Wrote: This I don't like at all, if you wanted to get scans from the cops, why did you vote novice in the first place?

Uhh because novice hadn't claimed cop yet when I voted for him? This is a flagrantly bad argument.

(February 2nd, 2015, 04:19)Jkaen Wrote: Only mentions TT in passing on day 1, suddenly its persuasive?

Because as I noted, I didn't make the case myself and just found what someone else wrote persuasive. And that post was written day 2, so not sure how I could have been persuaded by it day 1. And I'm pretty sure that the case was based around the scum flips, which were obviously not available on day 1. Soooo.... yeah.Though I'm finding it less persuasive after bob stuff, but I'm about to actually go through and think this through for myself now.

Most of your arguments seem based on just ignoring the order various events happened in for the sake of provoking suspicion.

In a poor state of mind for this at the moment, but gonna spend 45 min or so to make actual cases and not just defend myself.

ALSO 4 TIME CHAMPS PATS WOOOOOOO!!!!! hammerhammerhammer
Fear cuts deeper than swords.
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"Both skips are for the purpose of pressuring players into explaining why exactly they threw away Doctor/IC. All 3 were on the initial list of people I thought deserved pressure in one of my first posts, who exactly my vote is on at that point is pretty irrelevant for the actual lynch."

Shoudl have been outside the quote box in above post
Fear cuts deeper than swords.
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(February 2nd, 2015, 04:55)Qgqqqqq Wrote: Secondly, I really dislike Jkaen's big post. It's a long list of claims with vague comments, barely more than the pluses and minuses, and no conclusions. Reminds me of the post I made in the me/Zak vs. him/Jowy/novice endgame (when I was scum). Maybe it's arrogance, but I think he's - consciously or subconsciously - emulating that here. It doesn't take any real effort to add comments to a bunch of posts, and at the comment to quote ratio he's using, it very much looks like he's trying too hard for a wall of text without real substance.

I've seen him make those kinds of posts before as town, though, and his commentary does contain reads. So to me, those recent posts are an improvement.

I agree that dtay's counterattack on Ichabod may look a little suspicious. Accusing your accuser of being a SK isn't the height of originality when it comes to making a case of your own. smile With two dead mafiosi you ought to have some suspicions about who the others are (even if you can't make a strong case for it).

On the other hand, this is reasonable enough:

"I say SK because I don't think ichabods voting pattern and arg-targets make sense for mafia (lew d1 in particular). Also not voting him this moment because I think hunting mafia is more productive atm (though if this is incorrect newb perspective and killing SK right now make sense Lmk)"

So mainly, he's just saying that he suspects his accuser, which isn't outrageous. But not all that meaningful to the rest of us, either.

Dtay, I think what many of us need to hear from you are some "gut feelings" about the state of the game to see if they line up with our own.

Fair warning: if anyone posts any GoT spoilers I will vote to policy lynch them. :P
If you know what I mean.
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(February 1st, 2015, 04:07)zakalwe Wrote: Lewwyn voted instantly for Novice when he realized there was a cross-claim. And he was the GF, supposedly eager to be suspected, according to some.
That's a thing that bothers me. Why did Lewwyn who wanted to get scanned hop on the novice-train when there was a chance to save him (it was 6:5 at that time Lewwyn made it 7:5).

(February 1st, 2015, 04:07)zakalwe Wrote: It's quite likely that all the wolves reacted similarly and there was no attempt to save Novice.

it is understandable from the other wolves but why did Lewwyn.

(January 31st, 2015, 19:53)zakalwe Wrote: "Lewwyn didnt mention Jabbz at all in his 20 posts."

Yes, I had a feeling that was the case. Thanks for checking it.

And in both of his active periods he was trying to make things happen. With Jabbz in the lead. He was not just trying to cruise along.

Perhaps I was too hasty in putting Jabbz on the backburner. Afterall scum might have more powerfull roles than a 1-shot gov.(ninja for example).
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Zak post about mine = fair, doing that now
Fear cuts deeper than swords.
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(February 2nd, 2015, 05:22)Rowain Wrote: Perhaps I was too hasty in putting Jabbz on the backburner. Afterall scum might have more powerfull roles than a 1-shot gov.(ninja for example).

Yes, a ninja might be a nice asset for them, so they could kill without fear of watchers and trackers. Also, they could have a dayvig, which would be nasty in the endgame, and a strongman, who is obviously strong.

According to the list posted by Meiz back on day 1, these were the remaining mafia roles at the start of the game:

Mafia Godfather
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Doctor
Mafia Reflexive Doctor (Docs anyone who visits him)
Mafia Strongman
Mafia One-shot Governor
Mafia One-shot Day Vigilante
Mafia Ninja (kills invisible to tracker/watcher)
Mafia Goon
Mafia Goon

With two of those now gone, each of the remaining mafiosi now has a 75% chance of possessing a power.

(February 2nd, 2015, 05:22)Rowain Wrote: it is understandable from the other wolves but why did Lewwyn.

Although, not to undermine my own case, but I could also see this as a knee-jerk reaction from scum, not really considering the fact he himself is a GF. I never bought into the theory that Lewwyn would deliberately try to attract suspicion.
If you know what I mean.
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(February 2nd, 2015, 05:40)zakalwe Wrote: I never bought into the theory that Lewwyn would deliberately try to attract suspicion.

I'm in the same boat here. He might want to get scanned by being more inactive than usual, but not to purposely act as scummy. Lewwyn as GF was mafias best bet to win the end game. Him trying to get credit by bussing novice is excpected IMO.
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I don't think the mafia has a doctor, Lewwyn would have been an obious choice last night.
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