WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[Meiz]

Regarding Mafia, I still think bob is a villager. Even so, I think he should claim next day, very early, otherwise the day will be all about him without that information. It's the most villagery thing to do, in my opinion, even if you have a powerful role.

Yes, a claim would be good, since I currently see myself sitting on him for the complete day.

[Ichabod]

Seems like most of the votes for dtay were justified with "better him than Bob". So if you had gone with TT instead of dtay, it could possibly have made TT hang instead. You started the day making a huge case against TT and you have not updated yourself on anything that happened after that. So I thought it was strange that you felt so little attachment to that case now. Yes, if you had stayed on TT with a single dead vote, I might have called you scummy for it. But after Molach's vote, TT looked like an equally viable option for saving Bob. They were tied for votes.

This, big time. Before you made that post, I was about to vote Twinkletoes to try and save Bob. Your vote there killed that wagon, really.

Well, I think I killed a bit of the TT wagon too, with my final post before leaving. Like I've said, I thought TT could just change his vote to Bob, so going for TT at that time would be less useful than sticking with dtay.

But, either way, it seems this argument against Jabbz only works if Bob is scum, no? Perhaps with TT as scum it could also work, but that would mean Jabbz actually made a big case against a scummate.

Personally, I think we should look at people that parked their votes during this day. If I'm right in the assumption that we had two townies between dtay and bob, sticking with the vote from start to finish is probably the safest mafia play, rather than participating on the mess around deadline. Perhaps a movement against TT's lynch could also be a mafia play, if TT is scum. All this operates under the assumption that bob is a villager, which half the village thinks is not likely.

[zakalwe]

I'm not so sure a vig would have claimed, but I don't see a reason to speculate about it. I just hope that whoever killed Lewwyn follows up by killing Bob. He didn't claim yesterday, so no reason to be gun shy.

Ichabod, you think scum were parked on dtay?

[Jabbz]

Jabbz, why not stay on TT when Molach voted for him? "I had already decided to switch" isn't much of a reason.

Because it still wouldn't have accomplished anything. The vote would have been below Bob's. TBH I didn't expect the last minute changes, nor, had I, would it have made a difference. My vote on TT instead of dtay wouldn't have mattered.

Further, lets be honest Zak, since you've been on my nuts since day one. Had I stayed on TT, you would then be saying it was scummy that I didn't join in and make an active decision, and instead was trying to fly under the radar. You are operating under one hell of a case of confirmation bias.

Seems like most of the votes for dtay were justified with "better him than Bob". So if you had gone with TT instead of dtay, it could possibly have made TT hang instead. You started the day making a huge case against TT and you have not updated yourself on anything that happened after that. So I thought it was strange that you felt so little attachment to that case now. Yes, if you had stayed on TT with a single dead vote, I might have called you scummy for it. But after Molach's vote, TT looked like an equally viable option for saving Bob. They were tied for votes.

You ignore the reason I voted for dtay Zak, which is almost starting to feel like an mo. I didn't vote to save bob. I looked at the two major cases, looked at who I trusted, and where they voted, and voted along them.

As to the not being around, I posted why I was gone, and that I wouldn't be around till the morning. Had I been around, I would have made a greater case against TT perhaps. Further, if you look at my last post regarding TT earlier, it was in response to his defense. I said I would reread it, and my post, and evaluate things. I hadn't had a chance to do that, and didn't have a chance this morning. Since I had not had time to address his defense, it didn't seem appropriate to lynch him without doing so.

Again, you seem to be trying to make a case against me constantly. You were on my ass most of the first game day. You started the second game day on me, then went on to Jkaen, dtay, then bob. If you're so damn convinced I'm scum, why aren't you more consistent with your case? It seems to me all you've been doing is stirring shit up.

[Jabbz]

...I think it's safe to assume he didn't use it on Mattimeo.

Lewwyn, perhaps, though I would've thought he'd claim it.

We have a one-shot day vigilante, a vigilante and two potential SK's potentially around. I think it's safe to assume he didn't.

Lol, that's what I meant. That's what I get for not rereading a post before I post it :P

The reason I ask was because during my first game, there was speculation about a 1sv/v and the observation about how a noob might have blown his load on the first night. (ww33). Since dtay was playing his first game, it might have been the case.

[Jabbz]

Seems like most of the votes for dtay were justified with "better him than Bob". So if you had gone with TT instead of dtay, it could possibly have made TT hang instead. You started the day making a huge case against TT and you have not updated yourself on anything that happened after that. So I thought it was strange that you felt so little attachment to that case now. Yes, if you had stayed on TT with a single dead vote, I might have called you scummy for it. But after Molach's vote, TT looked like an equally viable option for saving Bob. They were tied for votes.

This, big time. Before you made that post, I was about to vote Twinkletoes to try and save Bob. Your vote there killed that wagon, really.

So because I followed you, EXPLICITLY followed you, SAYING I was following you, you didn't vote for the guy I was on before I followed you? There is no way in hell I could have known that, and TBH had you said something, given that I admitted I was following the people I trusted, I would possibly have changed back, especially if other people I trusted followed.

[Jabbz]

I think we have an SK and SK killed Lewwyn. I think a vig would have claimed the kill (it wasn't dtay, he'd most definetely have claimed it), when I asked. I think that the silence that followed my prompt for the vig to reveal himself was more than enough confirmation that we have a SK.

Regarding Mafia, I still think bob is a villager. Even so, I think he should claim next day, very early, otherwise the day will be all about him without that information. It's the most villagery thing to do, in my opinion, even if you have a powerful role.

Also, about suspicions, considering what I've read from the last part of the day, I got a bad feel about Molach, Fenn and Jabbz. But I'll have to reread the thread a bit, with the new knowledge we have. One thing is for sure, I created a pretty good place for scum to park their votes on day 2.

I'm pretty sure I'll be claiming first thing day 3. There is a very slight chance I won't, but it's pretty damn small. This is not me advocating others claim, and I'll explain my reasons when I claim.

[zakalwe]

I'm not convinced you are scum, Jabbz. I'm giving you a hard time to get a better read on you. And it's useful to interrogate you when you actually are around so I know that you didn't have a long time to carefully craft your response. I'm sorry if you find that annoying or uncomfortable, but I'm afraid it's part of the game.

One of the best reasons for suspecting you is outside your control, namely the way Lewwyn ignored you. But he could have been setting you up. That, in combination with your long absences at what feels like strategic moments, means that it's hard to just let you go.

[Ichabod]

I'm not so sure a vig would have claimed, but I don't see a reason to speculate about it. I just hope that whoever killed Lewwyn follows up by killing Bob. He didn't claim yesterday, so no reason to be gun shy.

Ichabod, you think scum were parked on dtay?

Considering the result, I think that's a fair possibility (can't point fingers now, but from what I remember of day 2 by head, I think we'll see people that voted for him and stayed there a long time). I think the people unactive on day 2 should be really looked at going forward, because apart from a couple of players, there was very little discussion of suspicions. But it's hard to conjecture, when we don't know Bob's alignment, since I feel there were people parked on bob too.

Information wise, lynching bob next would be good, all things considered. I actual hope he's claim is possible to be verified, because then we don't need to spend a lynch, seeing as I don't think he has been playing in a scummy way.

[Gazglum]

I'm pretty sure I'll be claiming first thing day 3. There is a very slight chance I won't, but it's pretty damn small. This is not me advocating others claim, and I'll explain my reasons when I claim.

Oh so NOW we're claiming. I'd still like Twinkletoes to do it before anybody else, as it gives him less options if he needs to make something up.