February 4th, 2015, 12:03
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(February 4th, 2015, 11:42)Meiz Wrote: I agree that TT's hesitance to claim is causing more harm at the moment than benefits the village. Even if he is town, people will sart to call him SK due to Ichabod's points etc. So if you are town, I hope you understand this.
That is bollocks.
Giving away all our roles now is worthless today. We have a guaranteed successful lynch on a Serial Killer and we really want to throw that away on an unenforceable promise?
Contemplate this.
If there are two serial killers and you let one live (who cannot be night killed) then you are risking 3 deaths.
If there is one SK and we let Ichabod live, he can kill with impunity and just say that it was another SK and not him. Unless you want to waste a tracker/watcher role to keep an eye on Ichabod instead of actually hunting the others, we cannot prove that it wasn't him.
I've just caught Ichabod out. Do you really expect him not to put up a fight? To try and ensure that the person who unmasked him is discredited or outed or to cause confusion and doubt.
I am not compromising the ability of the village to try and catch scum. Anyone who wants to do that is not helping the village.
I am 100% happy to claim when we don't have a home run lynch and we need to flush out the fake claimers. But we don't need to do that today.
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February 4th, 2015, 12:06
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(February 4th, 2015, 12:03)Molach Wrote: This is madness.
Day vig identified!
If you know what I mean.
February 4th, 2015, 12:06
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Zak who are your top scum reads?
February 4th, 2015, 12:13
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I have Jkaen, Molach, and Fenn as less obviously innocent at the moment. Jabbz looks a lot better after this recent push for action. TT and Q as possible SKs. Strongest scum lean would be Azarius, but TBH it's not a strong lean at all. Just elimination.
If you know what I mean.
February 4th, 2015, 12:14
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If anyone is worried about dying without giving some info to village, post it some minutes before deadline next night.
And what of claiming order?First one is obvious.
February 4th, 2015, 12:18
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TT, we are doubting you because you left some ambiguity in the way you claimed. Help us trust you by claiming in full. The sooner you do that, the more we will trust you.
If you know what I mean.
February 4th, 2015, 12:18
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Didn't consider TT being a SK when I made my last post. Also forgot to fully think through the implications of watcher/tracker results! Shows what I get for trying to post late at night. 
Sorry to hear about Azarius's situation, that's rough. Get well soon!
Twinkletoes89, by refusing to claim your role, I'd say you are impeding the village's ability to hunt scum.
Why would Ichabod as a Serial Killer automatically betray the village? He's already been outed as anti-town, he has no chance to win. The only thing at stake for him anymore is his Mafia honor  . Yeah maybe he secretly hates the village and wants to screw us over, but I doubt it! Let's try something a little unorthodox.
February 4th, 2015, 12:28
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(February 4th, 2015, 12:18)Fenn Wrote: Didn't consider TT being a SK when I made my last post. Also forgot to fully think through the implications of watcher/tracker results! Shows what I get for trying to post late at night.
Sorry to hear about Azarius's situation, that's rough. Get well soon!
Twinkletoes89, by refusing to claim your role, I'd say you are impeding the village's ability to hunt scum.
Why would Ichabod as a Serial Killer automatically betray the village? He's already been outed as anti-town, he has no chance to win. The only thing at stake for him anymore is his Mafia honor. Yeah maybe he secretly hates the village and wants to screw us over, but I doubt it! Let's try something a little unorthodox.
How the fuck am I impeding the ability to hunt scum?
By not claiming, I'm giving us a better chance of gaining solid evidence of another scum/SK target. As soon as I claim, they will know much better how to avoid me.
You instead want to have a claim-fest that gives the mafia details of the power roles still in play, for an exercise in conjecture. People could easily claim roles that noone has. Then what? We can't counterclaim them and suddenly they are 'credible'.
I could get one night more of solid evidence and give us a mafia target to lynch. Or you can waste all that because you want to fill 24 hours with something to do because we figured out a guilty party in the first hours.
Also, consider this:
Do you not think that other players besides Ichabod would want to put as much suspicion on me as possible? With Ichabod acting as a 'vig for hire', he takes a shot 'for the village' and misses the mafia. Then you have a mislynch and two villagers dead.
I cannot believe how stupid this is.
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February 4th, 2015, 12:40
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Please explain for the group exactly what you gain by not claiming tonight. You are making ambiguous claims about claiming limiting you, but you have already all but outed yourself anyway. There is a reason so many votes are on you TT.
February 4th, 2015, 12:46
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It might be stupid from your point of view, but you know your own alignment. The timing of your claim should be a majority decision. It doesn't help if you catch another killer tomorrow if people don't believe you are town.
And you still can make a successful track/watch even if you've revealed your role.
The earlier you claim, the higher chance we have to catch you lying, and the more we can trust you.
If you know what I mean.
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