WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[Jabbz]

Zach is already working to railroad this shit in a new direction. He just looks more and more scummy every post today.

[Qgqqqqq]

Okay, time to claim. I scanned Lewwyn Night 1, and TT Night 2. Both nights I got the result "No Result". I crumbed this both days:

Q, you should have claimed to be blocked. Leave the scum thinking we have a jailer. Oh well.

@Zak:

I...didn't even think of that. Well, maybe the jailer decided not to listen to me... Anyway, we can't be sure.

Still, I doubt that we can pass everything that Lewwyn did as "wanting to be scanned" - he nearly got lynched day 1, after all.

If you look at the capitals:

@Zak:

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I held back because the way I saw it, it was better if the scum *not* think we have a jailer if we did have one, and if they had used a roleblocker I didn't see any benefit in them knowing I knew.

Day 3 I tried to softclaim a Meiz-scan, to try and get reads on him, and also to motivate myself to look closer at him. I was hoping that scum might out themselves by jumping too eagerly on if he was, in fact, scum, or try to get town-points out of supporting him. Plus, of course, keeping discussion going on an otherwise dead day. Unfortunately, I wasn't really around to push it as much as I hoped, but the town seems united by a high opinion of Meiz, which IMO clears him relatively solidly. That Zakalwe was so fast to respond positively detracts a bit from that, as he's probably the strongest non-dead non-SK player about, but still.

Probably irrelevant, but I crumbed that here as well:

What's your opinion on me Q?

Now, i think that you're scum. On day 1 you took advantage of lewwyn's inactivity/a bunch of other factors to manufacture a scum fight - which we can see in the way he attacks you full-on after the novice reveal. Really, i think you've been trying to use that to skate through ever since. Early on, you also pushed the cause of claiming extensively, in an attempt to make things easier for your faction. Since day 1, i honestly haven't even given you a second glance, and i doubt anyone else has, either. You've survived thus far off it, but i doubt you were banking on such a bloody night, and process of elimination makes it much harder for you to hide.

Like i said, meiz wouldn't have been my first choice today, but on reconsideration, i really do think he's scum. Thus far i've only managed to cover the first 200 posts, but i'll go through the rest and i'm pretty sure it matches me memory/case.

@jowy: results are something that i'd rather not reveal quite yet, but they should be obvious.

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Which was a very difficult post to write

I really should've chosen someone other than Meiz, in hindsight, as he really has played quite towny. I was going to do Molach, until I realised no-one was talking about Meiz and I had a last-second bout of paranoia.


Now, I had presumed that Bob's flip meant I'd been jailed both nights and they'd lucked out on a Matt kill (as we had no doctor), but as Jabbz's claim means they must have a strongarm, I'm wondering if that means they have a roleblocker as well, who they've trusted to keep me under wraps.

In which case...I think I'd rather TT not claim which one he is, so that they don't know whether to afraid of sniffing around anywhere near me or not.

[Jowy]

Okay I believe both Jabbz and Qg and we shouldn't lynch either this game. Qg I had a feeling you were trying that with Meiz. It was a good plan, but town became complacent and stopped playing after the SK confessed. I'm glad things are picking up again.

TT and Azarius it's your turn..

[Meiz]

You bastard

[Qgqqqqq]

I have serious issues with this. While Qg has been in my COT for a while, I can't help but wondering if I was as wrong about him as I was about Ichabod. I can think of no legitimate reason to not tell us who he scanned last night. It accomplishes nothing except obfuscating the scenario. This doesn't help, it hurts. Qg should know this. So why do this?

This should now be clear. I will say, though, that I subscribe to the Rowain school of thought on claiming results - that you wait until the last moment it can be put into use (because I'm a wimp, I put that as halfway through the day rather than 2 hours before the lynch) so I can get reactions and responses out of people - a scum-claim on someone shuts down any more reads you get off them, and a town-claim does likewise to people pushing their case.

On killing Ich. After thinking about it all last night and this morning, my thoughts are this. If Ich is SK, then right now, he is the single highest priority target for the mob. What is more dangerous to them then the last (or second to last) remaining free agent that can kill at night. Clearly, as yesterdays vote went, they can manipulate the conversation effectively enough to get us to turn on each other.

If we kill Ich, they don't have to, leaving them to kill one of us. Yes there is a possibility that if we kill another mafia/sk, then Ich will kill one of us. We are still even at that point. If he kills one of them, and we kill a shady bastard, we are ahead. I said earlier that if we had no one better to vote for we should go with Ich, and I stand by that, but I think we have someone better. I think there is a group of players who are pushing for us to stick with Ich and not move forward, because it's in the mob's best interest for us to kill the SK for them.

We need to move forward and find a better kill, and we have a little over 24 hours to do so. Lets get in gear.

I strongly disagree.

A) the mafia can't kill Ichabod, if he's mafia-immune, /so they're never going to waste shots on him. And if he's two-shot bullet proof, then that's 3 shots to kill. I sincerely doubt they plan on shooting him 3 times, B) we are going to have to kill Ichabod eventually. There is no advantage to delaying on that to my mind, because he is not town-aligned and he'll just sit back and watch the body count rise.

That doesn't mean we should stop discussing anything - indeed, that was the whole point of my Meiz-interlude. But we cannot afford to let Ichabod live, not when we have a good chance of killing a villager over him.

[Jabbz]

Your scan of TT on night two being 'no result' doesn't eliminate the possibility of him being a SK. Those are also both very safe claims to make, as Lewwyn was dead and TT is more presumed SK than scum, so no one is going to have too much trouble with your actual "reads." I am not sure I buy that you aren't scum, I don't however buy that you are the Sk.

[Qgqqqqq]

You bastard

Sorry! On the plus side...it was very hard to make you look like scum!

[Jabbz]

This should now be clear. I will say, though, that I subscribe to the Rowain school of thought on claiming results - that you wait until the last moment it can be put into use (because I'm a wimp, I put that as halfway through the day rather than 2 hours before the lynch) so I can get reactions and responses out of people - a scum-claim on someone shuts down any more reads you get off them, and a town-claim does likewise to people pushing their case.

I'm not dead set against you, I'm just very suspicious.

I strongly disagree.

A) the mafia can't kill Ichabod, if he's mafia-immune, /so they're never going to waste shots on him. And if he's two-shot bullet proof, then that's 3 shots to kill. I sincerely doubt they plan on shooting him 3 times, B) we are going to have to kill Ichabod eventually. There is no advantage to delaying on that to my mind, because he is not town-aligned and he'll just sit back and watch the body count rise.

Unless they have a strongarm. Which you agree is a possibility.

[Qgqqqqq]

Your scan of TT on night two being 'no result' doesn't eliminate the possibility of him being a SK. Those are also both very safe claims to make, as Lewwyn was dead and TT is more presumed SK than scum, so no one is going to have too much trouble with your actual "reads." I am not sure I buy that you aren't scum, I don't however buy that you are the Sk.

No it doesn't. So I suppose it comes down to me not buying the SK argument/thinking we should definitely lynch Ichabod today.

Hang on, what do you think no result means? No result means that my investigation failed for some reason - which I'm presuming means I was roleblocked. The scan for not-mafia is "This player is not aligned with mafia".

[zakalwe]

Zach is already working to railroad this shit in a new direction. He just looks more and more scummy every post today.

Ok, sorry. I thought my theory made a ton of sense. Strongman kill Mattimeo first, who was the designated doctor target, and hope that Q is jailed. Then strongman kill Q. The first kill worked, and the second failed because Q is a SK.

If they have a roleblocker, then yeah, maybe they'd let him live and block him instead. So that was obviously the only plausible result Q could claim.

Which direction did you want to railroad this?