WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[Twinkletoes89]

Ichabod, I don't follow your reasoning.

Even if we did lynch Azarius, there's still the possibility of a mafia role-blocker being out there (claimed by Q) or that he's a Serial Killer.

If he's a second SK (and that is possible), then there's still the strongman and roleblocker out there, plus you.

I know you are doing everything to survive, but I think your argument falls short (at least from my first understanding of what you are trying to say)

Well, my understanding of the rules is that a Mafia can't use both his kill and his power on the same night.

So, if we are talking about a 4 mafia setup (which I find likely), killing mafia Azarius makes a roleblock impossible. The presence of a second SK is irrelevant to this calculation, from what I can see.

But you have a point, there's no reason to trust Qgqq right now. My plan could work really well if he was confirmed, but I don't feel like he is. Anyway, I think you get way more value from your role and Jowy's role if Azarius is dead, because he'll be the sacrificial lamb tonight for the Mafia.

Anyway, it's all about trusting me in this one, I'd say. What I can say is that I won't kill, because there's no reason for me to do it. It doesn't matter for me if I die in day 3 or 4, I'm not doing this out of pride, but I'd be happy if I could at least survive the Mafia (perhaps the other SK too, if there's one). But I understand if you think you can't, it's part of the game.

On a final note, I can work as a vig, if you want. Make a second vote during the night and I shoot who you want. probably not worth it with Azarius dead, but at least there's the option. I haven't counted it, but perhaps it doesn't matter for lylo (probably impossible to figure out, since there's always the possibility of a second SK).

I think I share Zak's interpretation of the rules on this and they are still able to use their ability.

Ichabod, I wish I could trust you, I honestly do. Given that you were caught bang to rights, your posts have been a marvel and if I hadn't had to bear the brunt of what they created, I may have been more swayed. But there's no way I'm turning down a 100% lynch for a 50-50 (mafia versus SK).

I respect the hell out of you, but I'm playing it safe today and I will not move my vote off you.

[Ichabod]

Please, kill Azarius and let me kill Qgqq!!! Please, village, please, please, pretty please.

I thought Qg would support me and he spent the day avoiding me. When I most needed his support, he turned cold. He just threw a vote in my face and went with his way, saying it "is just obvious that we are going to kill Ichabod today". Now I see why. Now I see why!!! He just wanted my favour when he thought I was a villager and that's because he's not a villager himself.

LET ME KILL HIM! I CAN DO IT, EVEN IF HE'S A SK, BECAUSE HE'S THE MAFIA IMMUNE ONE!

Please, please, please!!!!

[Molach]

Q scanned Lewwyn day 1. He was not blocked then because reasons.

[zakalwe]

That menas Qg is lying about being roleblocked. Qg is a liar!!! LYNCH HIM!!!

Well, I wish you would have given him time to answer that explicitly, but yes, "nothing happened" means nobody visited, which means either TT or Q is lying.

[Twinkletoes89]

Ah ok. So nobody visited Q then?

Noone.

[zakalwe]

Q lied initially, saying he scanned Lewwyn. But his breadcrumb says that he was in fact blocked.

Okay, time to claim. I scanned Lewwyn Night 1, and TT Night 2. Both nights I got the result "No Result". I crumbed this both days:

Q, you should have claimed to be blocked. Leave the scum thinking we have a jailer. Oh well.

@Zak:

I...didn't even think of that. Well, maybe the jailer decided not to listen to me... Anyway, we can't be sure.

Still, I doubt that we can pass everything that Lewwyn did as "wanting to be scanned" - he nearly got lynched day 1, after all.

If you look at the capitals:

@Zak:

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I held back because the way I saw it, it was better if the scum *not* think we have a jailer if we did have one, and if they had used a roleblocker I didn't see any benefit in them knowing I knew.

Day 3 I tried to softclaim a Meiz-scan, to try and get reads on him, and also to motivate myself to look closer at him. I was hoping that scum might out themselves by jumping too eagerly on if he was, in fact, scum, or try to get town-points out of supporting him. Plus, of course, keeping discussion going on an otherwise dead day. Unfortunately, I wasn't really around to push it as much as I hoped, but the town seems united by a high opinion of Meiz, which IMO clears him relatively solidly. That Zakalwe was so fast to respond positively detracts a bit from that, as he's probably the strongest non-dead non-SK player about, but still.

Probably irrelevant, but I crumbed that here as well:

What's your opinion on me Q?

Now, i think that you're scum. On day 1 you took advantage of lewwyn's inactivity/a bunch of other factors to manufacture a scum fight - which we can see in the way he attacks you full-on after the novice reveal. Really, i think you've been trying to use that to skate through ever since. Early on, you also pushed the cause of claiming extensively, in an attempt to make things easier for your faction. Since day 1, i honestly haven't even given you a second glance, and i doubt anyone else has, either. You've survived thus far off it, but i doubt you were banking on such a bloody night, and process of elimination makes it much harder for you to hide.

Like i said, meiz wouldn't have been my first choice today, but on reconsideration, i really do think he's scum. Thus far i've only managed to cover the first 200 posts, but i'll go through the rest and i'm pretty sure it matches me memory/case.

@jowy: results are something that i'd rather not reveal quite yet, but they should be obvious.

N
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Y (U)
L
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Which was a very difficult post to write

I really should've chosen someone other than Meiz, in hindsight, as he really has played quite towny. I was going to do Molach, until I realised no-one was talking about Meiz and I had a last-second bout of paranoia.


Now, I had presumed that Bob's flip meant I'd been jailed both nights and they'd lucked out on a Matt kill (as we had no doctor), but as Jabbz's claim means they must have a strongarm, I'm wondering if that means they have a roleblocker as well, who they've trusted to keep me under wraps.

In which case...I think I'd rather TT not claim which one he is, so that they don't know whether to afraid of sniffing around anywhere near me or not.

[zakalwe]

That's interesting Zak. Veeery interesting.

If I were scum I'd know how to be a good townie and vote for Ichabod. I'm just having some fun. And generating some tells.

3-1-1-14 might be deemed a playable setup, too. But I'm not sure you can fake this level of paranoia that TT is displaying at the moment. And Azarius killing Rowain also kills my SK theory on Q.

So I guess we are looking for one more mafioso, perhaps. I'll put my money on Fenn.

@Molach. Day-vigging Azarius would be great, since he is probably a strongman. Then we can protect and watch Q while he investigates.

[zakalwe]

That was a misclick, didn't mean to quote my own post. But Q as an SK still works, only he never killed anyone yet. The other option is that TT is an SK and tried to kill Ichabod, and cooked up the "you were hunting" claim based on that.

Why are you now so sure that it's Q, Ichabod? I think it's much more likely that Q was indeed jailed by Bob on N1, and TT just missed the breadcrumbing post by Q because he's scum and isn't reading the thread properly.

[Twinkletoes89]

Can't believe I missed that but yes that does implicate Q, which makes me feel a lot better about not trusting him.

I saw his claim of scanning Lewwyn as him saying that he found a scum but they died before he could use it. But yes this does contradict the role-blocker claim.

This does make the Ichabod gambit suddenly more appealing if Azarius is another SK. But I'm still not convinced I can trust him.

[Twinkletoes89]

Why are you now so sure that it's Q, Ichabod? I think it's much more likely that Q was indeed jailed by Bob on N1, and TT just missed the breadcrumbing post by Q because he's scum and isn't reading the thread properly.

If Q was jailed, wouldn't that mean that I would see Bob as having visited him?