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Qgqqqqq · February 5th, 2015, 00:06

Twinkletoes I know you're lying.

This isn't a watcher cleverly trapping a scum, here. You'll notice TT said nothing about this earlier, when I told you I was roleblocked, despite being around, and having seen a lie. He didn't even see it when he posted his claimed results!

This is a scum fakeclaiming and missing something vital in the process.

But if it's not, then seeing as this clearly is a botched/low-attention claim, his forcing the 1v1 on me doesn't do anything to prove his innocence. So it comes down to whether you trust me, or TT more.

TT is scum for certain. I don't know if he's SK or mafia, but I know he's lying.

Qgqqqqq · February 5th, 2015, 00:11

Also: WTF wouldn't Bob jail me night 1? I made a post saying that the defenses should be divided with Matt protected by Doctor, and me protected by Jailer. Why would Bob go against that?

Qgqqqqq · February 5th, 2015, 00:21

(February 4th, 2015, 19:00)Twinkletoes89 Wrote: I will answer those questions:

1) I watched you (Qgqqqq) on Night One. I imagined that the Mafia would anticipate Matt being protected by a doctor and would target you as the 'other cop' to ensure a kill. Alas, nothing happened because they had a strongman.

As I said, protection roles were to be divided equally. In which case, it doesn't matter who you'd target. I'm struggling to believe a power-role would pay this little attention to the thread.

Particularly as watcher on doctor makes sure we get one mafia-result night 1 (either cop works, or watcher finds cop-killer).

Quote:2) I chose AdrienIer as all the major lynch suspects (me and bob) were getting heat so it seemed likely that they would survive. Rowain and Glum's dance had made them suspicious so they were probably safe too. Two deaths on night one could only have been an SK. Vigs never take those risks. So I decided that it's better to hunt for the quiet one who can't be killed at night.

So I envisaged that at least one of the quiet people would get targeted, as an SK would imagine that all the tracker/watcher heat would be on those under suspicion and would want to whittle down the numbers as safely as possible.

Azarius was too quiet and thus lynchable, so it wouldn't be him.
So it was a toss up between a few and so I went for AdrienIer and hoped to get lucky.

...I don't buy this. As scum, you basically do one of two things: target the strong players (Rowain, Ichabod and Zakalwe at that point) or target the power roles. So we protect/watch those people, so that the scum are taking a risk if they attack them.

You chose to hit...none of those. I mean, sure it works if they wifom it enough...but I don't see that happening. I don't see you doing that, to be precise. I think it's much more likely that you slung a hit at Ichabod (a strong player, and thus a valid target, btw), it failed, and you decided to take the chance that he wasn't bulletproof town.

Qgqqqqq · February 5th, 2015, 00:30

(February 4th, 2015, 20:44)Ichabod Wrote: By the way, since it's now very likely that either Qg or TT are a SK, village will likely lose, if I'm lynched today. Village actually needs me to kill one of the bad guys, otherwise it's GG.

I'm willing to hear you apologize, by the way.

I apologize Ichabod. Here's my hat, and here's me eating it:
[Image: 530537f01605fb1718013507.jpg?w=800&h=599]

In all seriousness...we should still lynch you today :P

Why do we lose if we kill you today? We've got a run of Azarius/TT as scum to follow, don't we?

And if any of them are SK...you don't do a thing against them, anyway. So you're doing a crapshot between me or TT, which only works if the one you choose is mafia, not SK, has a much higher chance of killing village, and we're banking on you not turning against us and sabotaging village (who, with 2 1/2 scum identified are in a mighty strong position, enough for you to try and sabotage, easily). Besides, if we don't lynch you today, you're still our best hit for tomorrow, and so on.

Meiz · February 5th, 2015, 00:33

My amazing conclusion from reading the million posts is that we have Ichabod, TT and Azarius to lynch. Then see who's left.

hammer

Jowy · February 5th, 2015, 01:09

Meiz · February 5th, 2015, 01:16

Ichabod

1) We need to reduce the nigh kills
2) We need to lynch him eventually
3) His best bet is to put town in a situation where we're just choosing which of SK / SK's / Mafia deserves the win. I don't trust him to just fold down for 2nd place.

Jkaen · February 5th, 2015, 01:24

So right now we have:

2) Qgqqqqq - Claimed Cop and to have been blocked both nights
4) Meiz - called village by Jowy
5) Jabbz - Claimed Doctor, protected matt N1 (hence there is scum strongman). Protect Q N2
6) Jowy - Claimed tracker or watcher, claimes Meiz town, Az scum
7) Azarius - called scum by Jowy
10) Zakalwe - uninvolved in claims
11) Molach - uninvolved in claims
13) Jkaen - uninvolved in claims
14) Twinkletoes89 - claimed watcher or tracker, claimed Ichabod as a kiler
16) Ichabod - self claimed bulletproof SK
17) Fenn- uninvolved in claims

I say priority is to resolve Jowy's claims as that gives us the most info.

Hence we lynch Azarius. If Jowy is lying Ichabod shoots him for us, since he is so helpful. If Jowy tells the truth he and meiz are cleared, and TT has to claim right tonight or gets shot by ichabod.

We then lynch the other declared antitown (ichabod) tomorrow

That sound right?

Qgqqqqq · February 5th, 2015, 01:25

Tally as of post 1348:

5 votes: Ichabod (Twinkletoes89, Molach, Jowy, zakalwe, Meiz)
3 votes: Azarius (Ichabod, Fenn, Jkaen)
1 votes: TwinkleToes89 (Jabbz)
1 votes: Twinkletoes (Qgqqqqq)

Voting history:

Jkaen · February 5th, 2015, 01:26

Note the above is just the pure claims and counter claims obviously and doesn't involve suspicions (i.e. ichabod claiming that TT must be the other SK to know he was SK, which while fairly possible isnt a proven like the power reads)

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