WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[Jkaen]

Oh and this boys and girls is the sort of thing that made me think Jowy was scummy. Based on his word we were meant to lynch what could be 2 villagers before he could be proved 'wrong'

[Molach]

Good catch. TT is 50% lying by meta, Zak makes a case that TT is the likely liar. So Azarius could be the real watcher.
In this case Azarius knows who killed Rowain.

But TT lying does not mean Azarius HAS to be watcher. I still think it most likely that Azarius went to kill Rowain. I think Jowy is truthful.

Jowy appeared townish before reveals.
Also why watch Rowain and not a cop?
And, even with medical issues, why not post who killed Rowain publicly? I cant check on phone if azarius posted after night 2...I think he is scum about to die rather than village with a 100% evidence. Silence supports latter in my view.

But I acknowledge the possibility of something fishy. It would be good for him to post who did it, if he should flip watcher we have a skill or lynch ready.

[Jkaen]

Azarius last post was February 3rd, 2015, 01:52

So not posted today at all

[Ichabod]

And if any of them are SK...you don't do a thing against them, anyway. So you're doing a crapshot between me or TT, which only works if the one you choose is mafia, not SK, has a much higher chance of killing village, and we're banking on you not turning against us and sabotaging village (who, with 2 1/2 scum identified are in a mighty strong position, enough for you to try and sabotage, easily). Besides, if we don't lynch you today, you're still our best hit for tomorrow, and so on.

Dude, I can kill the other SK. He's MAFIA immune, not SK immune. Otherwise his power would be way better than mine.

Q, if you are telling the truth, Qg has to be the other SK. If he's not a watcher, the only way he found me is being SK (no sense in claiming if he's Mafia). Lynching him today gets rid of a SK just like lynching me. But I can kill Azarius for you guys during the night and avoid a bonus night kill for Mafia (if you had to lynch Azarius on day 4, they get another kill).

C'mon, guys! Lynch him! C'mon!

For starters, one of TT/Q is obviously lying, as they are disagreeing about the number of visitors to Q on N1.

And there's really no way Q is the liar out of those two. Like Q said,

1) Bob would in all likelihood jail Q on N1, as instructed.
2) A town watcher would in all likelihood watch Mattimeo, since he was the doctor target.
3) Watching AdrienIer is also an unlikely choice on N2, particularly with how TT explained it. (If he had said, "I realized AdrienIer must be the vig and figured scum would kill him", then it would have been more plausible.)

This also means that Ichabod has stopped playing for town, unfortunately. The minute it became clear that TT was in fact a bad guy, he moved his vote off him.

Since TT is obviously lying, then Azarius could technically be the town watcher. Failing that, there's no active town role he could have, so he must be scum. I think his silence kind of settles that matter.

No, I thought Qg was the liar. I'm happy to kill whomever you prefer, be it SK, Mafia or just plain old annoying villager that has to bite the bullet. I can improve my situation with the help of SK/Mafia. I can only be helped by the town.

I'll vote for TT, Azarius, Qg, Jowy, you name it. I'll even vote for BRick or Lewwyn or Gaspar.

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Mates, take one of the 50/50 shots today and I cover you in case you are mistaken. You'll need to take those 50/50 anyway, sometime. And later, you won't be secured against a mislynch, due to lack of friendly SK. C'mon, that's clearly the best play. And even if you get it right, I can kill one of the other 50/50s -> we lynch Azarius, I kill TT. We lynch TT, I kill Azarius. You name it!

This is clearly better for the village and all this deaf ears to my arguments are starting to sound as Mafia worried about losing extra kill days. Go with the better village play!

[Ichabod]

And since you guys appear yo be voting for me only because I'm 100% confirmed SK, I can fake a watcher claim. Than you are free to lynch TT/Azarius.

[Twinkletoes89]

Ichabod, the best village play is to kill you.

You never take a 50/50 over a 100% shot that reduces the number of possible night kills.

The info from today is priceless, but not enough to change the order, however much you Or Jkaen wants to argue for it...

[zakalwe]

TT, how did you know Ichabod is a SK?

[Ichabod]

This will be my last post for the day. I think I've said enough about the whole subject and I'd just be repeating myself. But here's something to consider, as my parting words:

1.

The next three lynches will be Ichabod, TT, and Azarius, and the next four night-kills will be you, Jowy, Meiz, and Q, in some order. We should be seeing 2 kills + 1 kill + 1 kill after those three lynches, so the endgame will then feature me, Jkaen, Molach, and Fenn. The most pro-town thing anyone can do at the moment is to contribute reads on these four players.

This scenario is quite plausible. But factor in a mislynch in it (like if you are mistaken in one of the 50/50) and suddenly you reach a scenario of 1/1 endgame. If you take the 50/50 now and let me live, I can at least secure a 2/1 endgame, since you won't have to waste another day lynching the right part of the 50/50 and give mafia and perhaps even the other SK another free kill (yes, if you miss the 50/50 on Qg/TT as SK, you'll be on even more trouble).

2. If it wasn't for my squirming and shouting, today would probably have revealed way less info for the village. If you read my posts today, you'll see that I did everything I could to help the village too. Obviously, it was due to self interest, I'm not altruistic to the point of just revealing at the start of the game that I got Mafia, coupled with who are my team-mates. I wanted to do my best to try and win and I realize I can't do it anymore, but at least I can play for a better position. My self-interest, right now, is connected to the towns self interest, so there's no reason for me to double-cross.

And like I've said, letting me live for one more day would be a tribute to my help in finding the liars.

3. I'll vote for no vote, since I don't want to influence the town on their decision about the 50/50.

Good luck everyone and don't kill me!!!

[zakalwe]

My current feelings are that Jkaen is probably town, Molach is possibly town, and Fenn is probably scum.

Jkaen and Molach still appear to be trying to figure things out. Fenn is just tagging along, and probably afraid of saying something wrong.

Fenn and Molach, what are your reads?

[Meiz]

I also think Jkaen's more on the town side due to his more recent posts. Not too sure on Molach. His posts are ok, his activity levels are scummy compared to the town game I remember from him.