WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[zakalwe]

Keep in mind, if there are two scum and Q isn't one of them, town loses immediately. I don't think we have two scum left or that Q is town, but we would be taking a risk by lynching me.

My advice to you would be to shoot Jabbz on your way out. We'll still get Q on the final day if he's lone scum.

[zakalwe]

Huh, so you were trying to get lynched with that last-night post? That makes...annoyingly good sense.

Not really. His play has been scummy lately but I don't see any signs that it's been deliberately scummy.

I'm out.

[Qgqqqqq]

I can see it, actually, with just that final post where he turned around on me. It looked well-done to promote a 1v1 between him and I, with the focus enough to force a lynch between the two, whilst still getting support from Jabbz/Meiz who've been on me entirely.

I mean, it doesn't excuse it entirely (such as why he did change his view so completely), and it doesn't explain the earlier stuff. But for me, that was the main thing I found suspicious and prompted my vote.

[Molach]

jabbz then.

[Fenn]

@Fenn, do you have any response to my response/defense to your posts last night?

Do you really see me as scum being more likely than Jabbz? More to the point, given that it's only a problem if we've got two scum remaining, do you really see me/someone else as scum being more likely than Jabbz/someone else?

Finally, let's just look at the claims one last time. My claim has a 8/9 chance of getting myself or novice killed, if I'm scum, and a 4/9 chance of getting us both killed. As scum, do you really see me choosing to claim cop, rather than like any other role - all of which would've had 2/3 chance of getting me killed, and wouldn't have endangered novice at all?

Do you see me doing the above as more likely than Jabbz noting that their shot on Matt made it through, and trying to get cred out of an early claim?

I haven't been married to the idea of Q being the sole scum. At the time that I made my night post I thought Q the most suspicious, so I decided to play up my suspicions of him; making such a sudden and reckless push on Q seemed like the best way to provoke a response from him and the other players, especially those who were eager to jump on my wagon, hence my saying everyone had a town lean except you. So I wonder why Jabbz hasn't commented on the cases against me or Q in any way except to say that he has a scumread on Q.

Your hypothetical fake cop claim on Day 1 strikes me as a high risk/high reward tactic. Having discarded Roleblocker you had to claim a good power role; and successfully claiming cop would have a big payoff in terms making you look towny. Between you and novice, novice looked much more scummy especially when Mattimeo claimed, and novice was probably doomed between his Doctor discard and his sparse Day 1 action.

Jabbz claimed Doctor mid-Day 3 right? That doesn't seem very early to me imo. But his strange play today has made me consider that he could be mafia. And he's definitely scum if you're town.

[Fenn]

I might of course just be attempting to retroactively justify poor/scummy play. You'll have to take it on faith to an extent that I did it all mostly on purpose.

[Qgqqqqq]

By early, I mean before he was being pressured to claim or anything, unprovoked - something which I for one have been giving him town-points for for a good while.

I really wouldn't say novice was doomed - if there hadn't been any further claims I reckon he could've lasted a good long while, especially considering that there were IRL reasons for his inactivity (IIRC). I, at least, wouldn't have been looking at him for at least another day or so, and it's not like he had any real pressure on him after he claimed/until Matt claimed.

I'd disagree also that there was a shortage of roles I could've claimed - anything from Jailer to Vigilante to tracker to Watcher to Doctor, and those are just the ones that come immediately to mind. Any of those I could get away with, and it's not like there's any more town-cred to claiming cop over doctor. The town-cred came over the fact that that move helped catch a scu,, and as I've said, that wasn't suddenly about to happen before my claim.

[Jabbz]

Wow, ok this is sad. I have a day where I don't post much, partly because I'm trying something, and partially because I'm busy, and all of the sudden you guys are letting yourselves be railroaded into voting for me with little to no evidence. Look at my votes. Look at my activity. If you actually think I'm scum at this point then I don't know what to tell you. I'm going to post what I've been saving to a notepad for the last day or so, I'm going to cast my vote for Qgqqqqq and call it good. This is beyond annoying.

[Jabbz]

These are my notes. Do with them as you wish.

Count how many times each player has been questioned on day 3 and 4

Compare peoples response from me not answering ?’s to TT not doing so.

We need to operate on the idea that there are two scum left. If we are wrong, and there is only one, we still win. If we operate on the premise there is one, and we are wrong, we could possibly lose.

There are two possible scenarios left for Scum if we operate on the premise that there are two remaining.
1 strongarm 1 roleblocker = Qg and I are town
1 Strongarm 1 no roleblocker = I’m town, Qg must be lying
1 roleblocker 1 no strongarm = qg could be telling truth (likely) or he could be lying and I’ve been blocked every day, even with no real reason to do so prior to day 2 (highly unlikely) so I’m likely lying
No roleblocker, no strongarm = were both scum.
The only remaining mafia roles I’m really worried about is a 1sDV. If that is in the game, one myslynch and we could be lylo. This could also be used last minute in a split vote to secure a myslynch.
IF Qg and I are town, then there is no dayvig and we get a little more flexibility, as they can’t just off one of us.
My biggest concern is the setup is 1 strongarm, and 1 dayvig.

My top 3 suspects in order – Qg, Zakalwe, Moloch.

[Jabbz]

I have about 45 minutes, I'm going to try to defend myself, from the same two people, for the umpteenth time this game.