WW35: Not Another TPS Report [Game Thread]

[Jabbz]

Instead, he's got me at ~90% scum, so he wants me to bust my ass off, proving my innocence by proving that you are scum.

If he has both the time and conviction that he claims, there should have been a last minute post hammering home all the reasons why I'm scum, in the event that he dies.

Jabbz

Last minute, unfortunately for me, comes at 9am. If I'm lucky I've been home for a short bit after taking my kids to school and wife to work. Even if I was able to do so, I didn't feel I needed to make things clear. I've made my case in general terms against you throughout the game. Further, I'm pretty sure Moloch saw you as scum, and I'm pretty sure Jkaen does as well. My death just confirms EVERY argument that I've made throughout the game, and makes you fry.

[zakalwe]

Now whose leaning on dead townies? Molach never said I was likely scum.

If you were positive I'm scum, why didn't you post any reasons for that during the night?

My defense was up for a long time, you had every opportunity to pick it apart.

Instead, it seems like you were more concerned about formulating your reasons for not protecting anyone.

[Jabbz]

Why did Q claim to have scanned Lewwyn, if he killed Mattimeo? Both a tracker and a watcher could catch him in that lie.

I think Mattimeo was killed by a ninja.

This is just silly in the extreme. This is also the argument I said in an earlier post came about as a result of him being alone. If he had come up with this argument over the night, he would have bread crumbed it somehow. Instead as he is scrabbling to come up with a defense, he came across this idea which he clearly thought was brilliant.

Lets look at the scenario as it played out that evening.

Qg asked to be jailed, and asked Mattimeo to be protected by a doctor. At this point, Qg has already made his cop claim. Since he had 4 other people to work with before the game started, someone had to have thought to ask whether a strongarm can kill while jailed. Why else would Qg ask to be jailed? A cop asking to be neutered makes zero sense at this point. Further, since we have a scum outed as a cop already, Qg gets TONS of towncred, because we know they could talk before hand, and they BOTH claimed cop. Novice becomes the sacrificial lamb that supports Qg's whole play for the rest of the game. So Qg gets jailed.

Who in the hell is going to use their watcher points to watch Qg, who has effectively been cleared as far as even I, his most serious attacker at that point, was concerned. It was an absolutely brilliant play, that nearly worked until the very end of the game. So Qg knows that the Jailor can confirm he was blocked. No one was going to watch him. Now Mattimeo was 100% confirmed town. No one at this point had any doubts. There was also a call for a doctor to protect him. Given that no one is going to toss doctor, unless its for a more powerful scum role, there is still a high likelihood of a doc in the game. Matt's clear, we expect him to be protected, so WHY WATCH HIM? The people a watcher is going to sit on are those who they are suspicious of. I'd be surprised if I wasn't a prime candidate on that list at the time.

Finally, why would you use a ninja on a character that scum asked a doctor to protect, when you have a strongarm that can kill through that doctor, who has the benefit of being "blocked" by the jailer. There are a lot of reasons for Qg to make the kill, not the least of which they are sure the confirmed cop, one of their most dangerous opponents, will die if Qg makes it, and might live if the Ninja does it.

This whole argument is predicated on the existence of a role that there has been zero reason to believe has been in the game till now. Zak is pulling this out of his derriere, in another effort to cast some doubt on the situation Jkaen. Don't buy it.

[BRickAstley]

Tally as of post 1713:

1 votes: Jabbz (zakalwe)
1 votes: Zakalwe (Jkaen)

Voting history:

Jkaen

Jabbz

Zakalwe

24 Hours left.

[zakalwe]

I wasn't going to be around, but things changed, and I was around. In the sense that I could post my vote from the phone. I don't see how that's relevant or why I would lie about that. If I'm scum it makes more sense to test the waters first instead of plunging in. If my strategy is to get you (Jabbz) lynched, why not pursue that right away? Why make sure to piss off the other guy first?

[Jabbz]

Alright, last of the attacks for now, as we will have to wait to see what Zak comes up with next. Here's hoping he doesn't try to wait till the last minute, since me being up early tomorrow will SUCK ASS given that it's Saturday.

The logic was that at least one of them was lying. There's no reason why they can't both be scum. Remember, both Q and TT were scum. This is just more of the same.

Last night I was thinking Jabbz was town and that he was utterly convinced that I'm scum. I had a strong town read on Molach, too. So you had to be the last scum.

But when the day started, Jabbz didn't act at all like expected. He was so sure I was scum that he asked Fenn to shoot me instead of Q. But his opening post was very open-minded. So I reconsidered, and decided that he's actually not suspecting me at all. He's just scum with Q and the rest of them, and that's why he asked Fenn to shoot me. After I accused him, he's been silent, because he wanted to see how you'd react.

Translation, Jabbz wasn't on, so he made a GREAT target. I could build up a case, seed doubt, and try to win that way. His open mindedness, and being thoughtful about whats going on is a clear sign he is scum. Wait, what? If I was scum, I'd drop a LOAD OF FUCKING HARD DRIVES on Zak's head the moment day dawned, be bullheaded to a fault, and shoulder my way through to a victory through misylnch. But no, somehow this is the behavior of a wolf, not a townie who is doing his best with the information he has, not the information scum has.

The only thing Zak has right here is that I wanted to see how you would react Jkaen. I wasn't sure how convinced you are that Zak is scum, and quite frankly, this game has wore me out. If I didn't have to bust my ass to convince you of the truth, I honestly wasn't going to bother.

[Jabbz]

Ahh there was a little cross posting, I didn't see that. Lets deal with it.

I wasn't going to be around, but things changed, and I was around. In the sense that I could post my vote from the phone. I don't see how that's relevant or why I would lie about that. If I'm scum it makes more sense to test the waters first instead of plunging in. If my strategy is to get you (Jabbz) lynched, why not pursue that right away? Why make sure to piss off the other guy first?

It's relevant because you felt it was important enough to state you wouldn't be around. YOU made it relevant.

And since I forgot to post it earlier, Zakalwe

[Jabbz]

Now whose leaning on dead townies? Molach never said I was likely scum.

I guess it's a good thing I didn't say he did then isn't it. What I actually said was

Further, I'm pretty sure Moloch saw you as scum, and I'm pretty sure Jkaen does as well.

If you were positive I'm scum, why didn't you post any reasons for that during the night?

My defense was up for a long time, you had every opportunity to pick it apart.

Instead, it seems like you were more concerned about formulating your reasons for not protecting anyone.

I addressed why I didn't post a reason during the night already. Go read it again.

I didn't post much yesterday because I had class, then I had errands with the wife, then I had dinner, then I had a blast playing Evolve until WAY too late last night. Composing the reasoning for not protecting someone was really freaking easy, as it's basic logic. Whether you killed someone last night or not, the game was over after the lynch today. Letting you lynch someone just makes it a smaller field to figure out who is guilty in.

[Jabbz]

Off to take my pops to a Dr's appointment. BBL to see what else Zak has come up with.

[zakalwe]

A town watcher would watch Mattimeo to look for visiting killers/roleblockers.

Scum could let Q do the kill and then use the alibi that he was trying to investigate him. He could still get in trouble though; if he's seen by a watcher, and also jailed by a jailer, something doesn't add up once all claims are out. But sure, they could do this. If they had chosen to do this, though, Q would have claimed to investigate Mattimeo.

It's not a new argument, I said the same thing yesterday, explaining why Q couldn't be lone scum. The point is, Q did not kill Mattimeo.

So if Q didn't do it, who else would they send? A ninja. The ninja can't be caught in the act, and if they succeed, they also gain the knowledge that doctor is a safe claim, which is very valuable. This is why I think you're a ninja.

Scum started the game with great numbers, but a big shortage of safe claims. Solution: work hard to gain towncred through mutual distancing, and make some bold claims, accepting some collateral damage.