WW 36 - Horrors in Kingsport [Game Thread]

[Doctor Saul]

Do you really think I should say them, Saul? I'm happy to - but I don't think it's the right move.

My mistake -- I mixed up your reveal with Fenn's. He's the one that named names.

Honestly I'm not sure we have many more power roles. How many revealed so far? Gazglum, Fenn, Q, and Mattimeo.

I don't think you should take your knowledge to the grave, though.

[Doctor Saul]

No, they're similar but not the same.

Finally checked his role pm. It looks exactly the same.

Okay, I guess I misunderstood your reveal yesterday then

[Gazglum]

I feel suspicious of Brick, Lewwyn, Saul, Novice and Q. I smell Superwolf on this one.

Brick had a similar Day 2 to Novice, he targeted Q early and then didn't do much. His wife is having a baby, which is a pretty top excuse for being busy, but wolves can whelp pups. He was also called scummy by both Rowain and Zak.
- Brick voted Matt, then Q.



Novice spent Day 1 arguing pretty strongly that Adrien was scum, but dumped him pretty much Day 2 to focus on Q (who to be fair, Novice was also after Day 1). His Day 2 was a bit lazy, if he was that sure Q was scum he could have pressured and questioned him more, tried to herd the crowd.
- Novice voted Matt to save Zak, then Q.



Lewwyn was keen to let everyone know how scummy he found Saul Day 1, but then was convinced by Saul to switch his vote to Zak. Despite Zak flipping town, Lewwyn did very little pushing of Saul Day 2 and shut me down when I asked why we weren't pressuring him, but he still lists Saul in his scum leans post #448. It feels to me like Lewwyn jumped on Saul Day 1, then kind of forgot about it Day 2.

Lewwyn claimed a town lean on Matt, despite what I think were some pretty questionable posts from Matt.

In #397 Lewwyn attacked Jabbz for saying that a townie's death would provide context, which seemed a bad reason.

In #421 Lewwyn attacks Fenn for a prepackaged response to Zaks' death. Again, this seems like a pretty weak post to me.

I would note that Scum Lewwyn has form in attacking his scumbuddies during the day, then slipping out of voting them at deadline. Also, Zak was heavily suspicious of Lewwyn before he died, though he later dialed it back. Still, killing Zak was a good move for Lewwyn.

Lewwyn ended up saying he lacked conviction on day 2, which is understandable given the low post numbers. And he himself is the top poster, which is a town point.
- Lewwyn voted Zak, then Fenn.



Q has just done very little, has made mistakes about Zak. Rereading I saw that he said he was suspicious of Brick (#345), but I Don't think he ever followed it up. How do you feel about Brick now, Q?

I don't think the nightkills have been particularly favourable to Scum Q, but he could be under the thumb of an Alpha Horror.
- Q voted Zak on incorrect grounds, then Fenn



Saul got huge pressure Day 1, then sailed through Day 2. He has the misfortune of having called out townies Zak and Fenn as very highly scummy. He seemed near-certain Zak was a wolf, but then dialed it back to possible town lean Night 1, which could be a wolf getting town points knowing Zak was about to flip (or could be a good townie rethinking).

Given that he voted Zak for 'resting' on him Day 1, it makes sense to vote Novice for doing similar to Q Day 2.

Saul, you promised a re-read after Fenn's death. Did anything stand out to you? Who are your suspects now?
- Saul voted Zak, then Novice.

I went into this thinking Saul was my top suspect, that he is a wolf who had a very near miss Day 1 and quickly killed Zak to tamp down the danger. But re-reading, there is more consistency to Saul than I thought. I would like to hear his opinion on suspects now though.

So I'll try Brick, who has apparently posted 57 times but I can't think of anything he has done to help the town yet.

[Gazglum]

And I may have failed to save Rowain, but I can champion his memory.

Lest we forget:

to summarize: BRick, Jabbz are my topsuspects Qg, Fenn, novice follow-ups.

Also, Novice, his dying wish was that you answer this:

@novice

Lets say we lynch Qg tomorrow whom do you currently see as other scum if Qg get revealed

a) as scum

b) as villager ?

[Jabbz]

Novice, I don't really see a reason to claim mine. It's not going to change anyone's opinions of me, and it's only real purpose is catching people out in lies when they try to claim power roles.

I have a problem with this Qg. I'm not saying you're scum, so don't take it as an attack, but it does require us to believe you are in fact town, and that we can trust your reads. Otherwise, when you "catch people out in lies," you are just feeding us bs. Yeah, I understand if you make the wrong claim and someone gets strung up, you could die as well, but this seems to be an attempt to gain some town cred I'm not sure you're entitled to at this point.

[novice]

I want to do two rereads, one with Q as scum and one with Q as town, to properly answer that, Gaz. I'm not sure I'll have time though, so I'll half-ass something now.

Q as scum: Lewwyn and Gaspar look scummy for not supporting a Q lynch on day 2. They half-heartedly attack each other and are both on Fenn along with Q in the first day 2 tally (5 on Q and 3 on Fenn). Adrien ended up wrong but helped push Q ahead of Fenn early on.

Q as town: Brick and Sunrise get scum points for supporting me. Jabbz for being the third day 2 wagon against 2 townies, BUT I agree with dtay's town read on Jabbz so we might have three townies and the scum are just making sure to keep the wagons nice and even. In which case a more full-assed analysis is called for.

I have general town reads on Dtay and you, so I'm not really considering you in either scenario. I lean neutral to town on Saul and Jabbz. I'm actually glad Rowain died as I was starting to mistrust him.

I think Lewwyn looks bad in either Q scenario, so I'll give him a spin. Still up for lynching Q, too, of course.

[novice]

Novice spent Day 1 arguing pretty strongly that Adrien was scum, but dumped him pretty much Day 2 to focus on Q (who to be fair, Novice was also after Day 1). His Day 2 was a bit lazy, if he was that sure Q was scum he could have pressured and questioned him more, tried to herd the crowd.
- Novice voted Matt to save Zak, then Q.

I spent all my available time pushing for his lynch, to the extent that I caught heat for tunnelling. Meanwhile you took the day off. What more do you want? /vent

[Qgqqqqq]

Novice, I don't really see a reason to claim mine. It's not going to change anyone's opinions of me, and it's only real purpose is catching people out in lies when they try to claim power roles.

I have a problem with this Qg. I'm not saying you're scum, so don't take it as an attack, but it does require us to believe you are in fact town, and that we can trust your reads. Otherwise, when you "catch people out in lies," you are just feeding us bs. Yeah, I understand if you make the wrong claim and someone gets strung up, you could die as well, but this seems to be an attempt to gain some town cred I'm not sure you're entitled to at this point.

Okay, so there's two scenarios here: either I am town with this role, or scum without, if we assume that there aren't duplicate roles on the scumteam. Therefore, if I am scum, than my claim only matters if it can be caught out by another role (they had visited xyz) or if I am town it only matters for if I can catch out a pr claimed with my role. If I am scum, it's easy to claim - I simply claim that I visited someone and other people had visited them in the past day (even if all the town claims roles, I could still claim that a scum role must've visited them). So I can easily make it impossible to catch me out as scum. If I am scum, than there should never be any reason to counterclaim - sure I can, but you'll just lynch me either that day or the following day anyway.

Whereas as town, my role has utility in catching out a scum claim or at least dissuading them from claiming for fear of being caught.

That's why I'm not prepared to claim. Honestly, I shouldn't have claimed last night.

[Jabbz]

Why couldn't you be scum with the role? Did I miss something?

Just reiterating I find it fishy, mostly because of your "cop" work last game

[Qgqqqqq]

I don't really like Gazglum trying to champion Rowain (especially) and even using this:

I don't think the nightkills have been particularly favourable to Scum Q, but he could be under the thumb of an Alpha Horror.

If this is the case, who am I scum with? And do you not accept me being scum absent another 'superwolf' on the team?